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我個仔有自閉症

我個仔確診有輕微自閉,唔知香港ge治療好d?定係加拿大治療好d?如果係加拿大有咩機構可以提供免費或較便宜ge治療?

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發表於 07-1-31 13:47 |只看該作者

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Just wonder what make you think Canada medical is cheaper? Are you a resident first? If not, just dont bother to ask as medical is much more expensive in western world.

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發表於 07-1-31 15:48 |只看該作者

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We are the citizen.
I just concern if its treatment is better than HK.

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發表於 07-1-31 18:55 |只看該作者

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發表於 07-2-1 00:33 |只看該作者

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Hi wkwok01,

May I know how old is your son?
I have some knowledge on Autism.
I am sorry but o be honest, any improvement after age of 6 is rare. And even before the age of 6, recovery is minimal.....
In my opinion, you should access the treatment in HK first, as far as I know, the treament in HK is not bad.
If your don't have much financial concern, HK may evne be a better choice as the service is prompt and efficient.
As for Canada, I am not sure but I can tell you don't overestimate the medical service here. Even if the service is avaliable, you might need to wait a long long time in the queue before you can get in. And if those are not consider to be basic heath care, you may need to pay by yourself too. In addition, such a big move of going to Canada may pose hugh pressure on the whole family....it may not worth it.
Austist kids need professional help and long term care, your well-being is important for taking care of him. If you cannot adapt well to the life here, it may even make things worse.
I suggest you to explore seriously about the service in HK first....

Rabbit

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發表於 07-2-1 01:21 |只看該作者

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wkwok01,
Few points I want to remind you.
-In BC, medical is for resident only which means you have to live here for over 6months within a year. Eventhough you do pay your medical plan fee, the govt has right to reject you. My friend just told me that her friend's case is like that. She is citizen but lived permantly in China. She came back to give birth but the hospital find it out and they refund all the money she paid in the plan but have her to pay foreigner fee. Check before you come.

-Are you aware of English is the first language? Can you or your child understand that? Even myself, I would choose a Chinese doctor. How you expect your child understand the treatment if it is in different language. Plus cultural difference is always an issue as the staff may not understand our background and may mis-diagnoise your child.

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發表於 07-2-1 02:45 |只看該作者

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wkwok01,

Your baby in the picture looks like less than 1 year old. How do you know he has autism? He seems to be too young to be diagnosed to have autism.

But anyway, here is what I found about autism resources in Canada.
I hope you will find these useful.

The only thing I just want you to be aware is that, if you come back to Canada, living on a single income is very tough. If you want to go to work, then finding someone to care for your child will be very expensive, compare to HK.

But anyway, here are some links:

Autism Ontario

Autism Awareness Centre

Autism Society of Canada

YukiMommy

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發表於 07-2-2 01:40 |只看該作者

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Thank you for all your reply. I have two sons. The one who has autism is the older one. He is now 2 years and 8 months old. I am a busy working mom in HK and all my family members, including my sister, brothers and mother are in Canada. I feel stressed as I have to deal with my job and my son's problem. I cannot quit my job but have to work harder to pay for the treatment fee. All the treatment needs mommy involve so much. I always feel helpless and I am afraid I waste his golden time of learning. For me, moving back to Canada seems a new hope.
I was away Canada for about 5 years. Do I have to stay more than 6 months that I can get back my health insurance? How about my sons? Also I would like to know how and where I can apply for the treatment? Does my son have to wait for a long queue?

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發表於 07-2-2 02:50 |只看該作者

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wkwok01,
There is no miracle in life and I guess autism requires mostly from the parent and the trainer is just assist you.

If you cannot quit your job in HK, how you want to live in Canada? Plus medical is not free. In Vancouver, a family plan cost $108/months and if I am right, you need to pay back 5yrs medical plan fee unless you declared that you are permantly left Canada.

Time is critical for your child and I think in your case is better to cure him in HK instead of start all over in Canada. Remember I mentioned 2 points, language barrier and cultural background, it can affect your child very much. Autism is very different from over-active as I hope you can make a right choice.

Are you sure he has autism as he is too young to determine. My daughter doesnt talk till she mixed with other kids in daycare at age 2.5yr. Sometimes I feel parent are over sensitive. There is many kids dont talk much till they are 6yr and especially in front of stranger, so you need to understand your child very well before you make the judgement.

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發表於 07-2-2 03:13 |只看該作者

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wkwok01,
to get the treatments, you need referral from a Canadian Family Doctor. All specialist treatments in Canada must be referred by family doctor to begin with.

Assumed your son is confirmed autism, you are right that the earlier the better to treat him. I know a mother, whose son is now late 20s. He has autism and did not get diagnosed until like 5-6...with the mother's great effort in helping her son, the man is now a university graduate from Computer science. So, don't lose hope.

I understand how hard it is to care for a special need child while you need to work. Free medical in Canada is very attractive as you can quit your job (I assume), though less income, but at the same time, less expenses.

xother, I don't know we need to pay family fee for OHIP? how does it work? I don't pay anything as far as I know....

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發表於 07-2-2 03:30 |只看該作者

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YukiMommy,
Canada doesnt provide free medical, but in general, if you work, your company will cover it. eg, my current company only pay for me, not my family. My colleague cover his wife and daughter, then the insurance company charge them $90/month includes extend health care. My husband's company cover the whole company without extra cost but it is rare.
My neigbour doesnt pay any MSP(that is what we called in BC) as she declares low income family but as long as your income exceed 20k/yr, then you have to pay the premium.
My other neigbour come with investment catergory, so she cannot declare low income family and she always say it is a waste to pay $108/month for geting nothing.
My other neigbour left Vancouver as the son doesnt like to study here, but the govt still ask them to pay as they didnt declare permantly left Canada. Besides, MSP only cover the basic doctor visit, eyes, bones and dental are excluded and it really a big expense if without insurance.

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發表於 07-2-2 03:58 |只看該作者

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Hi ALL,

I understand the difference now. In ONTARIO, we pay nothing as it is covered under OHIP, Ontario Health Insurance Plan.

I did not buy any insurance for my maid and she can still see her family doctor, free, specialists-free, except, eyes and dental. Not sure about bone though. No coverage for drugs.

Here is a link about OHIP.

OHIP

I never know that medical is not free in BC.

So, wkwok01, come to Ontario and you only need to wait for 3 months, then you will get the medical FREE.

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發表於 07-2-2 04:10 |只看該作者

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wkwok01,

I understand your concern, may be your are feeling hopless and stressful at this moment that you think Canada may be a new road.

But as a matter of fact, it may not be. I don't mean to put you off or wanna to scare you away, I just want to share my experience for you consideration.

As a parent, I understand you wanna provide the best treatment for you son, but I am worry you may feel disapointed if you give up everyting and come here.

First, in my experience, I think the medical service here is really BAD!!! You can immagine if you are in HK, and there are only government medical service but NO private one. What would that be??? The first thing you can think of is all time WAITING....

This is the case here, since there no private medical service here, all you can do is just wait up in the queue and you really have no choice for yourself.

So if you first come here, he need at least 3 months to get your health care service activated. Then you need to find a GP (family docotor here). If you see this blog often, you will know over 40% people here cannot even find a GP due to inadequate supply, and the good GP are all NOT accepting new patient.

Ok, when you get a GP, he need to diagnosis you son all over again (they won't trust any medical report you bring from HK.) I don't know how long this will take...may be months, may be longer. Then if the GP think your son to see a specialist, they will refer you to see a specialist, but it may take months or more before you have the appointment with the specialist.

Worst of all if the GP think it is not neccessary to see a specialist, they will not refer you to specialist, as the resource here is limited, unless they think it is absolutely neccessary, in that case, there is nothing that you can do, you may need to see another GP, which don't know how long will take.)

After you finally get to see the specialist, you need to follow through, even if you don't like the specialist. As there is NO procdure for you to seek 2nd opinion or to change specialist.

So you see, why I tell you it may not be a good choice for you, as you know you cannot have a good prediction of how long to wait in each queue until you are really on the queue and they will never border to give you any estimation. And you will have no idea whether the treatment is suitable for your son unless you try it. And if any things goes wrong you have to go thro' the same procuduere all over again to change it if it is ever possible.

Plus all the language barrier and adaptation problem, I really think it is too risky to do that.

I myself is having some medical issue and after long stuggles and hassel with the medical service here, I am planning to go to HK next month to get the appropriate treatment.

So you understand why I have such opinion.

Just a simply word of advise don't overestimate the quality and efficiency and underestimate the cost of medical service here!

Best of luck!

Rabbit

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發表於 07-2-2 04:36 |只看該作者

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YukiMommy,
No, ON used to paying nothing on your OHIP, but not anymore. Yes, ON may pay a lower premium, but definitely not free anymore. Your maid doesnt pay anything as she is low income catergory.
Besides, drugs is not cheap in Canada and the OHIP only cover the doctor visit and no drugs to go home, so at the end, you still have to pay quite alot.
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When does the Ontario Health Premium come into effect?
The Ontario Health Premium would come into effect for the 2004 tax year. The health premium will begin to be deducted from employee payrolls and pension cheques beginning on July 1st, 2004.

How does the Ontario Health Premium compare to premiums used in other provinces?

Two other provinces currently have health premiums. In British Columbia, a single individual pays $648 per year, a family of two pays $1,152 and a family of three or more pays $1,296. In Alberta, a single individual pays $528 per year and a family of two or more pays $1,056. While these provinces offer limited premium assistance to residents with low incomes, Ontario would be the only province with a health premium based on income.

Who will pay the Ontario Health Premium?

The premium would apply to individuals who are residents of Ontario on the last day of the taxation year. Trusts and non-resident taxpayers would be exempt from the premium.

The amount of the premium payable, if any, would depend on the individual's taxable income for the year. Individuals with taxable incomes under $20,000 would not pay any health premiums.

No one with taxable income of $20,000 or less would pay the premium; this means :

* 43% of individual tax filers would not pay the premium; and
* 48% of senior tax filers in Ontario would not pay the premium.

Individuals with taxable income of $21,000 would pay only $5 per month.

Individuals with the highest incomes would pay at least 3 times as much as those with modest incomes. The top premium is $900; whereas, an individual with taxable income of $35,000, for example, would pay $300.

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發表於 07-2-2 04:59 |只看該作者

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Hi Yukimommy,

Yeah. It is free before and NOT free anymore.
I read newspaper the other day, they are debating to raise the premium even higher in the next tax year!!!

Rabbit

xother 寫道:
YukiMommy,
No, ON used to paying nothing on your OHIP, but not anymore. Yes, ON may pay a lower premium, but definitely not free anymore. Your maid doesnt pay anything as she is low income catergory.
Besides, drugs is not cheap in Canada and the OHIP only cover the doctor visit and no drugs to go home, so at the end, you still have to pay quite alot.
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When does the Ontario Health Premium come into effect?
The Ontario Health Premium would come into effect for the 2004 tax year. The health premium will begin to be deducted from employee payrolls and pension cheques beginning on July 1st, 2004.

How does the Ontario Health Premium compare to premiums used in other provinces?

Two other provinces currently have health premiums. In British Columbia, a single individual pays $648 per year, a family of two pays $1,152 and a family of three or more pays $1,296. In Alberta, a single individual pays $528 per year and a family of two or more pays $1,056. While these provinces offer limited premium assistance to residents with low incomes, Ontario would be the only province with a health premium based on income.

Who will pay the Ontario Health Premium?

The premium would apply to individuals who are residents of Ontario on the last day of the taxation year. Trusts and non-resident taxpayers would be exempt from the premium.

The amount of the premium payable, if any, would depend on the individual's taxable income for the year. Individuals with taxable incomes under $20,000 would not pay any health premiums.

No one with taxable income of $20,000 or less would pay the premium; this means :

* 43% of individual tax filers would not pay the premium; and
* 48% of senior tax filers in Ontario would not pay the premium.

Individuals with taxable income of $21,000 would pay only $5 per month.

Individuals with the highest incomes would pay at least 3 times as much as those with modest incomes. The top premium is $900; whereas, an individual with taxable income of $35,000, for example, would pay $300.

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發表於 07-2-2 05:47 |只看該作者

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wkwok01,
Just to share my case with my daughter. She didnt say a single word when she was 1.5yrs old and we went to language specialist to seek advice. Yes, she wrote a long report and stated that it happened due to dual language we spoke at home, then she suggested to go for hearing test, and some other test which I dont believe she is right.
yes, I agree that the different language confused her but overall, I believe my daughter is normal and didnt go for any follow up although she called me few times. Now my daughter is 4yr and I have to stop her talking as she is asking too many questions! Ask yourself if the child is really has problem or just a delay in development. 特殊教育 is a good topic for you to understand more.

If you know western people well, you know they always very careful to give diagnose. eg, I took my daughter to visit doctor due to fever and cold, he said just have your current medicine at home and she will be fine! That happen very often, not once or twice, so now I dont really like to go for doctor visit if it is minor sickness. It never happen in HK!

As a general rule, the doctor doesnt want to give wrong diagnose in order to avoid any law suit as it is very common in western world.

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