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發表於 05-11-16 09:11 |只看該作者

Re: 基督徙離婚後再嫁....是否得不到永生

首先 ~ 要清楚什麼是信耶穌, 得永生................

信 ~ 唔係單單口裡面話信, 而係要真正的信靠/信賴神.(因信稱義)

信在之後 ~ 我地要過著"重生"的生活. 係要倚靠神去過每日的生活.

信了主的人, 是會犯罪的.............那麼, 我們會否因為犯了罪而失去永生...............答案, 是不會失去的..........因神早已在我們相信祂的時候, 將永生賜給我們.

那麼, 我們就可以隨便犯罪嗎 ?................答案, 當然不可以.

終有一天, 我們需要為著我們所作的在神面前面對神的審判.............

以下是某教會的教會紀律章則, 以作參考之用.

二．離婚與再婚

1. 聖經要則──離婚

舊約

a. 神設立婚姻，是要夫婦二人在盟約中一生相守，不可分離（瑪二：

14-15）要堅定愛護幼年所娶的妻。

b. 休妻離婚的事，是神所恨惡的（瑪二：16）

c. 從神與以色列人的關係看之，神雖然審判背棄盟約的以色列人，但祂至終要赦免他們，且仍盼望他們與自己和好（結十六：60-63），因此在夫妻關係上，縱然產生困難，仍需要以「赦免」「和好」為至終目標。

新約 (太十九：3-9�林前七：10-15)

a. 摩西准許以色列人休妻，是因為知道人心剛硬，不能遵照神原初的旨意行，因此作此安排，以控制錯誤，避免引來更大的問題。(regulation of wrongs)。

b. 婚姻是一生的，摩西容許休妻，但「起初」並不是這樣，神設立婚姻起初的旨意是夫妻二人一生為一體。

c. 「人無論是甚麼緣故，都可以休妻麼？」「神所配合的，人不可分開」：人並無權柄可以隨意離婚，神所配合的（當二人立誓結合時，便應看作是神所配合的），無論是那一方的配偶，也無權與對方分開。

d. 離婚明顯不是神所喜悅的，聖經呼籲丈夫不可離棄妻子，妻子也不可離棄丈夫；縱然對方是未信的（林前七：11-13）。

e. 離婚可以被接納的條件有二：

(i) 配偶犯淫亂(太十九：9)是一種消極的准許，並不是絕對性的要求或理由，希臘文「淫亂」fornication 是指「慣常性性道德敗壞」(habitual sexual immorality)是一個廣泛的名詞，指任何一種性道德敗壞行為。

(ii) 未信的配偶因信仰的緣故要求離婚（林前七：15）

2. 聖經原則──再婚

a. 聖經容許信徒在兩種情況下可以再婚：

(i) 配偶離世(羅七：2；林前七：39)，在生者可以自由再婚。

(ii) 配偶因犯淫亂而引致離婚者，無辜的一方可以再婚。但任何人與犯淫亂者再婚便是犯姦淫。（太五：32；路十六：18）

b. 已離婚者並不因為離婚而有權再婚(可十：11-12)。離婚不是再婚的條件。

c. 配偶一方(信或未信)離開/離棄另一方，並不能成為被離棄者或離棄別人者再婚的藉口（林前七：10-11）。若主動離棄者不再結婚，但被離棄者亦不可再結婚。若主動離棄者再結婚，即以犯姦淫論，則被離棄者可以再婚。

d. 聖經未曾吩咐離婚者要再婚，只是在某些特殊情況下容許再婚，再婚者要加倍謹慎，一方面要為過去婚姻失敗自己要負責的錯誤後悔，也要尋求教會的協助，免重蹈覆轍。

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發表於 05-11-16 13:02 |只看該作者

Re: 基督徙離婚後再嫁....是否得不到永生

panio 寫道:
是否沒有感情都不可離婚？？ :cry: :cry: :cry:

什麼叫做沒有感情? 主耶穌說連敵人都要愛, 何况我們的配偶呢!

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發表於 05-11-16 18:01 |只看該作者

Re: 基督徙離婚後再嫁....是否得不到永生

i think it's like asking whether being homosexual is a sin. i just want to say that the bible is not a book thrown from heaven. it's a book which is written by men who had better communication with god. there're god's words, but there're also influence from the community where the writer lived in.

to love someone, doesn't mean you have to be his wife or her husband. if things can't really work out, why not change the relationship in a peaceful way?

LoveYiLok 寫道:
[quote]
panio 寫道:
是否沒有感情都不可離婚？？ :cry: :cry: :cry:

什麼叫做沒有感情? 主耶穌說連敵人都要愛, 何况我們的配偶呢! [/quote]

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發表於 05-11-16 21:03 |只看該作者

Re: 基督徙離婚後再嫁....是否得不到永生

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heilokmama 寫道:
i think it's like asking whether being homosexual is a sin. i just want to say that the bible is not a book thrown from heaven. it's a book which is written by men who had better communication with god. there're god's words, but there're also influence from the community where the writer lived in.

to love someone, doesn't mean you have to be his wife or her husband. if things can't really work out, why not change the relationship in a peaceful way?

[quote]

heilokmama,

Let me reply to you about some of the issue : -

(1) homosexual is a sin according to Chirstian point of view

(2) divorce is not a sin under some of the suituation as other has shared

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發表於 05-11-16 21:33 |只看該作者

Re: 基督徙離婚後再嫁....是否得不到永生

...homosexual is a sin according to SOME Chirstians' point of view

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發表於 05-11-17 11:17 |只看該作者

Re: 基督徙離婚後再嫁....是否得不到永生

I think that it is necessary to clarify this point.

HOMOSEXUALTIY IS A SIN

God created marriage, and he states clearly that this is for a man and a woman. It is also stated clearly in the Bible that God hates homosexuality. If you agree that Bible is the word of God, then God hates homosexuality. He still loves the people, but he hats the act. He will still accept them if they repent.

How can homosexuality be a sin only according to SOME Christian's point of veiw?

heilokmama 寫道:
...homosexual is a sin according to SOME Chirstians' point of view

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發表於 05-11-19 12:43 |只看該作者

Re: 基督徙離婚後再嫁....是否得不到永生

培養番感情，專敬對方，愛對方。
但如果真係冇得救，只有分開。
千萬千萬千萬千萬千萬...不要弄出人命或 hurt 仔女 (無論心理或肉體)

我們愛，因為神先愛我們 (聖經) www.healthnjoy.com.hk

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發表於 05-11-19 16:54 |只看該作者

Re: 基督徙離婚後再嫁....是否得不到永生

clearly we've very different experience in christianity. but this doesn't matter. not even the 12 disciples agreed with each other, not to talk about millions of christians in this world now.
recommend a book to all christians:

"Meeting Jesus again for the first time" from Marcus Borg. this is one of the books bringing me back to god again. i've been scared away for several times in my life.

Jen 寫道:
I think that it is necessary to clarify this point.

HOMOSEXUALTIY IS A SIN

God created marriage, and he states clearly that this is for a man and a woman. It is also stated clearly in the Bible that God hates homosexuality. If you agree that Bible is the word of God, then God hates homosexuality. He still loves the people, but he hats the act. He will still accept them if they repent.

How can homosexuality be a sin only according to SOME Christian's point of veiw?

[quote]
heilokmama 寫道:
...homosexual is a sin according to SOME Chirstians' point of view

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發表於 05-11-20 00:18 |只看該作者

Re: 基督徙離婚後再嫁....是否得不到永生

I don't want to be offensive. Christians may not always agreed with each other, but there are some clear Biblical truth that has absolute rights and wrong. With man's wisdom, we can never understand the Bible completely. Some interpertation can be controversial, but not for homosexuality.

It is so important to get this clarified. More people in this community is already having an increasing tolerance towards homosexuality, which the Bible clearly states that this is wrong. This is something God hates!!!!

The law of the Lord has written clearly that God never allows homosexuality.
Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Same thing in the New Testament
Romans 1:27
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

The truth is so obvious. I really want to know where can you find any hints in the Bible that support homosexuality.

Sister, I don't really want to start an argument, but it is important to be faithful to God's command. He tells us that He doesn't allow homosexuality, that makes it a sin. It is very dangerous not to take sin seriously.

You mentioned that you have been scared away before. While Christians today stress the love of God a lot, but it is true that we have to Fear God also. God is Righteous, and He hates sin. We have to be very careful and sensitive to sin. While be have to Fear God, we don't need to be scared away. God knows that we are not perfect, and that's why He gives us His son, His loving Son. Jesus Christ has been to this earth himself, and He understand our worldly fears.

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發表於 05-11-20 01:33 |只看該作者

Re: 基督徙離婚後再嫁....是否得不到永生

...homosexual is a sin according to SOME Chirstians' point of view

[size=medium]I totally agree with what Jen has shared!

We regard homosexual is sin because it is from the BIBLICAL view, not our own view!!

Yes, we Christans may not agree with one another on some issues. But regarding sin, we must insist on the TRUTH.

Because men are rebellious and they just do whatever they like..............that's why we do not obey God's command and take it lightly ......... nowadays even homosexual brothers can be ordained as Pastors!

We must take sins seriouly just like what Jen has shared!

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發表於 05-11-21 11:14 |只看該作者

Re: 基督徙離婚後再嫁....是否得不到永生

if bible is to be taken word by word, every woman need to cover her head, as said in 1 corinthians 11.
you just continue to believe what you believe, as long as you feel comfortable.

BUT u've to accept that there're some christians in the world that do not take the bible literally (i.e. not word by word), but also metaphorically. this is because there're conflicting sayings in the bible and sayings irrelevent to the modern world.
there're some christians in the world that believe the bible is a book of both god's and men's works, becase it's greatly influenced by cultural context of the writers.
there're some christians who choose to experience god thru prayers, the bible, real life experience around her/him (e.g. science, knowledge), not only the bible.

Not to further scare you, I believe Jesus are friends with the Buddha and Ahla. I know a lot of Christians can't tolerate this, that's why I have run away from god several times in my life. I went back to him after i found out that what many christians believe might not be the truth or the only truth.

I'm still learning hard, but I'm never alone again.

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發表於 05-11-21 12:12 |只看該作者

Re: 基督徙離婚後再嫁....是否得不到永生

親愛的各位: 你們似乎都不是在解答Panio 的問題, Panio PM了我, 告訴了我一些事情背景, 現簡述如下, 請各基督徒幫忙分析和代禱:

一個女孩, 一生漂泊流離, 認識過很多男孩, 常遇人不熟, 極想有一個可托付終身的好伴侶。後認識一男子, 並與他結婚, 現育有孩子, 但丈夫因犯罪入獄。現在, 太太認識了一個基督徒, 這基督徒十分愛她和她的孩子, 常常禱告要跟她一生一世, 太太問過她的丈夫會否信主, 他說不會, 而且他常賭錢 … 現她很困惑, 她知道基督徒不可以離婚, 但又不想放棄現在這個男友… 請各基督徒幫忙!

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發表於 05-11-22 14:07 |只看該作者

Re: 基督徙離婚後再嫁....是否得不到永生

不論是否站在信仰的立場.................我個人認為都先要處理好一段感情, 才開始另一段感情.

若他要選擇現在的男友, 都先要跟現在的丈夫處理了他們之間的關係才行...................

至於選擇離婚與否, 我想當事人(PANIO)自己亦心中有數.

至於那位基督徒的男朋友, 我想若然兩人要走在一起, 也必定會承受一定情度的壓力..........問題是......大家要有心理準備去承受這一切........來自朋友/家人/甚至是教會弟兄姊妹的壓力.........甚至也為孩子帶來壓力.

對於PANIO, 我想我是體諒她一生漂泊流離, 遇人不熟........的那份"悽楚"..........

然而, PANIO也該想想, 為什麼她常會遇人不熟 ??
不然, 現在認為是好好的基督徒男友, 那怕有一天也會令你失望.............

我們從婚姻中所學習的功課.............也是一輩子也學不完的............無論婚姻如何美滿的人, 也需要學習......也需要付代價.

對不起, 我不是什麼專家..........但, 我想, 你的問題亦不能用三言兩語能夠解答........建議, 可找一些基督教輔導中心幫幫你的忙......

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發表於 05-11-23 18:41 |只看該作者

Re: 基督徙離婚後再嫁....是否得不到永生

你好:yobo;首先多謝你的回應,你講得好啱.我係應該先去處理好一段感情, 才開始另一段感情.我好早前都而經好想去處理.因為我都係一個不喜歡一腳踏兩船的人,這種感覺絕不好受,但問題是我那刻不可以搞離婚,因為他雖要家庭的支持而去搞假釋可以早一年半截出來,所以先會拖拖拉拉到現在7年了.至於為什麼我會一生漂泊流離, 遇人不熟.....呢！我現在覺得是因為當初我末認識主 ,我生活在魔鬼的世界,過的是魔鬼的生活,所以我現在很想很想有一個新生活新開始,我有這樣的孜變都是我現在男友身上開始知道,因為是他帶我認識主,所以我現在的生活思想都開始變,而我們要承受的壓力我們很清楚,我的父母沒什麼問題,至於我男友的父母是雖要時間,等他們接受,但這樣是不會影響我們,不知道我這樣的說法是否自私 ,因為最後相處是我們,而我的孩子,他昨天跟我說他覺得現在很溫馨,我當時聽到很開心,因為他沒抗拒,都喜歡現在的生活,我亦問過他想見爸爸他說不想.而將來我的男友會否變呢？這個我都不敢說,因為是要看我們日後什樣相處,我這樣的想法是否我而經有了炔定呢？

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