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341#
發表於 08-2-6 06:45 |只看該作者
原文章由 brbaby2007 於 08-2-5 18:38 發表
我想問, 我埋身餵, bb食完個乳房鬆曬, 係咪即係無塞唔洗搵人通喇?

但我手泵就唔可以鬆曬囉, 點算


brbaby2007,
Skin to skin is more effective than pumping. If you need to pump, you may see if you can use a better pump or use hands to squeeze when you pump.

linglinglau,
Why don't you rent a Medela Lactina pump? It is the best I have seen and used. I use Lactina in the hospital and I found it very effective though it's painful when you first start pumping. My company provides one in the office and I only need to buy a set of utencils. When I'm at home, I use Medela Pump in Style Advance Backpack which was a gift from my sister in law who could not even pump out a drop and her baby needed to be in hospital for a while after birth. So, she did not really use it and she gave it to me. I found it very good and now, I'm using it the 2nd time. You can see if you can rent Lactina and you can consider to buy a 2nd hand PIS.
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342#
發表於 08-2-6 09:39 |只看該作者
rose-mag, 即係用pump pump唔清o的奶係正常?


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343#
發表於 08-2-6 10:15 |只看該作者
我返工有一個鐘食飯嘛, 就用曬果一個鐘黎泵奶囉, 邊食邊泵, 泵0岩0岩好工 (有時會遲 5-10min)。此外就返工前泵一次、放工後返屋企又即泵。

你一定要買個好泵, 如果唔係好快會放棄0架。仲有, 如果健康院姑娘幫你唔到, 你試下找 lactation consultant 丫, 雖然貴0的, 但好有用, 會幫你按摩乳房同通清0的乳腺, 令奶量大增的。我無找過, 但好多 bk 奶媽都有, 你可以找找以前的 post。

借泵方面亦可開個post 問下, 應該好多退役奶媽可以提供的。



原文章由 linglaulau 於 08-2-5 14:21 發表


thx 呀..... 等我知道原來唔係得我咁難出奶....
要泵成個鐘先清... 返工真係冇咁多時間lor....:-( :-( 搞到我好氣餒呀:cry: :cry:

>.< 其實我已經搵過健康院姑娘.... 不過解決唔到我嘅問題...
佢問我係 ...
@ 如果有錢有社會地位先至會被人喜愛,呢個世界就太可悲了 @


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344#
發表於 08-2-6 10:58 |只看該作者
brbaby, to my case, 如果太耐無pump(eg about 4 hrs),我就好難會pump得清,even連埋身食都未必得

但係如果keep住每3個鐘一次pump,就好容易pump到奶,仲會好快pump晒(about 15 mins)

如果可以你最好pump密d,睇下個情況有無改善!


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345#
發表於 08-2-6 13:02 |只看該作者
我4個鐘pump都唔會pump到咩奶...... 如果3個鐘俾bb埋身食, 佢可以食得清囉


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346#
發表於 08-2-7 00:48 |只看該作者
原文章由 brbaby2007 於 08-2-6 13:02 發表
我4個鐘pump都唔會pump到咩奶...... 如果3個鐘俾bb埋身食, 佢可以食得清囉


It's normal that pumping is not as effective as skin to skin. But, ng... your case seems to be the issue of the pump. What type of pump you use? Electronic or hand-held? How you use it? Do you turn on the maximum power but still cannot pump out much? Do you have let down and how quick it comes? 1 time or 2 times per pumping? Have you tried to use your hands to squeeze out the milk? I'd see if any of these give hints to your problem so that all of us can help to find the suitable solution for you. By the way, I forget how old your baby now. Is he or she able to suck well?
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347#
發表於 08-2-7 09:11 |只看該作者
大年初一, 先同大家拜年!
恭喜發奶!
恭祝大家身體健康, 奶源不絕, 長餵長有!
bb快高長大, 身壯力健, 聰明伶俐!
大家咁話

rose-mag,

thanks for your advice. 我一直有擺一盤水, 而家更加要"強制"老公一定要開窗, 佢成日話好"寒", 怕凍而關晒所有窗, 搞到我個鼻都頂唔順, 而家開返窗空氣流通好咗d.

昨晚由於我同阿b都太累的關係, bb一覺訓到今朝7點, 我又冇set鬧鐘半夜冇泵奶, 一起身右邊胸好似石頭咁硬, 嚇親我呀~諗住比bb啜返鬆, 點知太硬bb根本啜唔到, 一啜就流血! 咁咪比佢食住左邊先. 右邊就熱敷+泵(係老公提我用熱敷呀! 要讚下佢夠冷靜:lol ).

但原來無論我幾努力泵都係差d泵唔清, 最後都要靠bb啜清. 本來以為損咗bb啜咪好痛? 原來唔會, bb識啜就唔會痛!

不知不覺, 我bb仲有一星期就3個月大了, 原來我做咗人奶媽3個月喇 而家已經係全埋身, 全人奶, 完全唔駛補奶粉了 bb亦越食越叻唔會再啜損 真係好開心, 係最好的新年禮物!

大家一齊努力呀~

[ 本文章最後由 方麗娟 於 08-2-7 09:13 編輯 ]


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348#
發表於 08-2-7 11:14 |只看該作者
我想開始學儲奶, 以妨突然m來奶量少唔夠阿b食~
想問下:
放入雪櫃(4-5度or below), 可以放幾多天?
然後放入冰箱?
定係先放入4-5度約半個鐘再放入冰箱? 雪到變冰?
我買咗boots儲奶袋, 假如一安一安咁儲, 應該點做才冇咁浪費儲奶袋?
儲奶袋可放入冰箱嗎?
謝謝!


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349#
發表於 08-2-8 01:16 |只看該作者
原文章由 方麗娟 於 08-2-7 11:14 發表
我想開始學儲奶, 以妨突然m來奶量少唔夠阿b食~
想問下:
放入雪櫃(4-5度or below), 可以放幾多天?
然後放入冰箱?
定係先放入4-5度約半個鐘再放入冰箱? 雪到變冰?
我買咗boots儲奶袋, 假如一安一安咁儲, 應該點做才冇 ...


方麗娟,
I read some messages from other BK moms that if you exclusively breastfeed your baby, it possibly delays your period. Some of them don't have period in 15 months. I don't know if it is true or not but I still have no m for almost 6 months since my daughter's bornt. Well, it's always good to have at least some reserves in the fridge.

It you put the milk in a refrigerator of 0-4 degree, the milk can be used within 8 days. In a freezer compartment inside a refrigerator, it's good for 2 weeks. If the freezer compartment is with a separate door of the refrigerator, it will good for 3-4 months. But, it depends on the temperature of individual refrigerator, how often you open the door of the refrigerator and how much stuff you have in the freezer. If you just put the milk in the refrigerator, put it at the back so that the temperature won't be affected by frequent opening of the door.

If you want to make frozen milk, you can put the storage bags directly into the freezer after pumping. Don't put too much in one bag, read the instruction first. Some of them can only hold a certain oz of milk. If you need to make frozen milk, remember to compress all the air out of the bag before sealing to prevent freezer burn. This is best achieved by placing your forefinger and middle finger (like scissors) at the milk level with one hand and use your another hand (again like scissors with the forefinger and middle finger) and slide the air to the top of the bag. Expelling all the air from the bag before sealing will provide your baby's milk with the best protection during the freezing process. When you put it into the freezer, it's best to place the bag in a tray or inside a ziploc bag to avoid touching with other stuff in the freezer so the storage bags won't be torn easily. To thawe the frozen milk, you need to remove it from the freezer to the refrigerator for 12 hours. I found it to be safe to put the storage bag in a clean cup and cover it with wrapping paper. So, if the bag tears, it won't mess up the refrigerator and you won't lose the milk. After the milk thawe, you have 48 hours to use the milk. If it is over 48 hours, it has to be thrown away. The best way to warm up the milk is to put the bag in warm water for a few minutes. Don't put it in boiling water or microwave, it won't cause breakdown of milk and loss of nutrition.

It's hard to save storage bag at the beginning. I collected milk in a collection bottle first (1 bottle for each pumping) and keep it in the refrigerator. Once I have 4 oz in total (good for one feeding for my daughter), I pour the milk to a storage bag and put it in the freezer. I know that it's not the best way but it did save me using so many bags. Usually, I transfered the milk from the refrigerator to the freezer within a day.

Fresh milk is also the best for the baby, frozen milk is just for back up. I'm so happy and proud of you on working hard to be a breastfeeding mom. Remember those hard days at the beginning? You can tell your baby how tough you are in the future. Happy New Year and hope that you can breastfeed until your baby naturally wean from breastfeeding.

[ 本文章最後由 rose-mag 於 08-2-8 01:20 編輯 ]
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350#
發表於 08-2-10 11:50 |只看該作者
rose-mag,

唔該晒你解答得好詳盡, 我會跟住做! 而家儲咗2包冰奶, 就嚟第3包了! 好開心!

我又發燒, 發冷發熱喇! 同埋發現右邊胸有少少紅腫, 我懷疑自己係乳腺炎. 前幾日咪試過成晚唔記得泵奶第二朝變石頭, 昨日同老公bb出街, 咁而家bb食一邊就夠, 所以谷咗成5-6個鐘! 就係咁出事喇~

今日係年初四都唔知有冇醫生睇, 又驚再等多一日會越來越嚴重, 有膿咪大件事?? 而家唯有靠bb幫手啜清, 希望快d通返啦! 不過始終有發燒點都要睇醫生, 我今次一定唔會再食d唔餵得人奶的藥了!


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351#
發表於 08-2-11 04:56 |只看該作者
頭先終於忍唔住食咗粒panadol, 咁啱屋企冇晒普通的, 只有傷風感冒panadol, 但真的太痛只好食住先, 老公話停一日人奶(pump出嚟倒). 出一身汗(全身濕晒要換晒內外衫褲!!)而家精神d. 希望明早可以去睇醫生.

老公都摸到我個胸有d硬, 唔知睇醫生會點幫我"通"返呢? 唔知會唔會好大力按通, 好驚呀~ 而家掂下都痛.


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352#
發表於 08-2-11 11:28 |只看該作者
ROSE-MAD, 我用avent 手泵架...... 咩叫....let down呀??? 我唔識用手擠啊..... 學極都唔識唔知點算...... 依家bb 5個星期大喇.....我都仲係咁小奶, 都唔知點算好.......


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353#
發表於 08-2-11 11:28 |只看該作者
唉.......好唔開心啊
我初二開始發燒, 唔退........ 以為冷親點知初三開始個胸好痛..... 係好痛好痛.... 好實....... 跟住開始諗唔知係咪乳腺炎.......
初四去左睇急症, 個*新手e生, 俾我拋左兩句, 由初初話我乳腺炎, 跟住改口話我只係谷奶痛..... 消炎藥都慳返唔開, 淨係俾止痛藥我.....
最終忍唔住打去百本call lactation consultant上黎..... 搞左個半鐘, 叫做幫我通返o的乳腺 (佢話好似發現得早), 仲話我一直餵bb個手勢係錯曬....... 要由頭學過...... 唉....... 仲話我唔識用pump, pump傷曬入面, 所以佢同我通某o的位明明唔痛都變痛.......
點知佢走左半個鐘, 我又覺得實返......... 我都唔知洗唔洗再搵佢......

但老公病左, 我心肝搬左去同我阿媽住...... 今日就不停係咁喊係咁喊, 我真係好掛住我個女........


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354#
發表於 08-2-12 01:00 |只看該作者
方麗娟
How are you? Have you seen the doctor yet? Hope that you're okay. On the 7th, I had a meeting to go and I could not pumped at the site. So, I pumped at 12:45pm for 15 minutes and went to the meeting. It ended by 5:00pm and my hubby came to pick me up. Wow, I already felt so engorged and I really wished to go home and feed my girl. Then, my hubby told me that we need to go to his parents' home for dinner. He left our daughter to my mom. After dinner, it's already 6:40pm and I told him that I could not stand for but go home as I already felt my breasts so hard and big, leaking milk too. Around 7:10pm, I was home and rushed to feed my daughter at 9.9 seconds. She's so excited to see me and thanks god, she almost empty my breasts.

Sometimes, I would rather use my hands to squeeze out some milk to release the engorgement if I could not be home to feed my baby at the moment. Touchwood, I had not have very serious clot ducts yet.

Take good care. Remember to ask the doctor if you can nurse your baby if you have to take medication. Usually, if you need to take antibiotates, you need to stop nursing for a week. If it is the case, you still need to pump out milk regularly but you cannot feed your baby with the milk.
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355#
發表於 08-2-12 01:45 |只看該作者
brbaby2007,

Don't be so unhappy. I can feel your pain - not able to feed your daughter and clot ducts really hurt. Luckily, it's not too serious. If you have fever, it won't be just engorgement. The doctor should not just give you pain relief. For the lactation consultant, don't take it too serious. As a new mom, you should not know everything. Have you asked her to teach you how to nurse and pump correctly? You know, you paid for her services and you have the rights to ask. Do you still remember how she helped you to clear clot ducts? I do sometimes have the problem but before it gets worse, I would try to clear them by myself. You can use hot press on your breasts, or take a hot shower, then use your fingers to massage the hard parts of your breasts - press on the parts hard in circle, until the milk come out like a stream and your breasts softened. It can be quite hurt but it is better to take care it at the beginning. I would check my breasts after every feeding or pumping to make sure that they are empty to avoid clot ducts.

Do you have a clue why it happened? I remember that you said that it's so difficult to empty the breasts. Do you feel any hard spots before? I have not used any hand pump before and hand-squeezing is too slow for me. I can only use no more than 20 minutes for pumping when I'm in the office. So, I use electric pump since my previous baby bornt. Anyway, you can try to rent an electric pump and see if it helps or not. Or, you can always go to the health clinics and ask the nurses there to help. I believe that they can give you a lot of different advise. Too bad that I am not living in HK. Otherwise, I don't mind to come to visit you and help although I'm not a professional.

Regarding low milk flow, there're some issues that you need to review: -
1) Do you eat well? You need to eat A LOT!!! I eat at least 5-6 times when my baby was before 3 months old. A lot does not just mean the portion. You need to eat healthy, a lot vegetables and fruits to prevent constipation for you and your baby. Eat more frequent instead of eating a lot each meal.
2) Do you drink at least 12 glasses of water, soup, milk or beverages? You need to have enough fluid to produce milk. Sufficient fluid can also prevent UTI too - more water more pee mar.
3) Do you rest enough? If you have no sleep, your body cannot produce milk. And, that's why people say mom has to go to bed when the baby's sleeping.
4) Are you stressed? Don't put too much pressure on yourself. The more tensed you are, the higher tendency that you cannot produce milk.
5) Do you nurse on demand? Do you supplement with formula? You need to nurse your baby when she's hungry, forget the schedule first. Nurse when she wants to eat and try to nurse before offering formula. Try to nurse longer each time and it stimulate your body to make more milk. Gradually, you can try not to supplement with formula. The pay off is that you might need to nurse more frequent. My daughter is now almost 6 months, she still need to eat every 3-4 hours and still cannot sleep through the night. My son who was half bf and half formula-fed, he ate 5 times a day and slept through the night.
6) Have you tried any food that can help milk production? Papaya (green one works better than red one), pig's limbs, chicken soup, fish, etc. work for me.
7) If you want to have more quality milk, you should consider have vitamin supplement. I take prenatal multi-vitamins, DHA, Omega 3 and Calcium supplement everyday. Baby takes the nutrition from you and it's important to supplement. Otherwise, your body would be short of these and it will affect your health later.

Take good care and take it easy. We have faced and will have to face a lot of challenges to be a mom. Clot ducts is just one of them and surely we won't be defeated by just this little matter. We have to be brave to protect our sweethearts. It's so lucky that your mom can help you to take care of your daughter when you and your husband are sick. Surely that grandmom will take good care of her. Take this time to rest and be prepared to take care your baby girl after you recover. If you miss your daughter, call your mom and let your daughter listen to what you said. It sounds silly but don't underestimate a baby. My daughter and my son know when I call and they will appear to be very excited.

I need to go back to work lar. If you really need someone to talk to, drop some lines her and we have so many BK sisters here to support you.

[ 本文章最後由 rose-mag 於 08-2-12 01:50 編輯 ]
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356#
發表於 08-2-12 02:41 |只看該作者
brbaby2007,
Forget to answer you what's a let down. A let down is the phenomenon that happens after vigorous sucking or pumping for a while, streams of milk come out automatically. Usually, there would be more than one let down. If you skin to skin, your baby starts sucking, you will gradually feel your milk coming, releasing and then your breasts become soft after being emptied. If you pump, you can see some clear drops (water) first, then white one, then instead of drop by drop, streams of milk, then slow down, then drop by drop again. It's one let down. Usually, you can have more than one let down but the first one is always the biggest (more milk).
花旗太太生活在花旗國,留意時差,你問我未必即時答到。


大宅

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357#
發表於 08-2-12 09:04 |只看該作者
rose-mag 答左詳盡的英文版, 等我答中文版啦~

let down 即係噴奶反應, 餵餵下奶, 個胸覺得「拿一拿」, 0的奶奶就成支水柱咁射出黎~ 就係 let down 啦~~

另, avent 手泵雖然好多人話好, 但較難掌握, 如果你太用盲力, 0的吸力咁強真係有機會吸傷, 不如你買/租個 medela swing 或者 ameda 雙泵啦, 都係電泵, 有力度調校。咁多錢都洗左, 唔差在花多少少, 試下電泵啦, 真係好易掌握同輕鬆好多0架。




原文章由 brbaby2007 於 08-2-11 11:28 發表
ROSE-MAD, 我用avent 手泵架...... 咩叫....let down呀??? 我唔識用手擠啊..... 學極都唔識唔知點算...... 依家bb 5個星期大喇.....我都仲係咁小奶, 都唔知點算好....... ...

[ 本文章最後由 李小B太太 於 08-2-12 09:07 編輯 ]
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358#
發表於 08-2-12 16:19 |只看該作者
多謝兩位高手媽咪啊. 咁let down即係o的奶自己噴出黎? 我右邊胸試過架, pump既時候就見到, 但係無拿一拿架喎.... 正常嗎? 初初以為埋身餵無let down, 但有一次個女食食下甩左嘴, o的奶四圍咁噴, 我就知.... 我右邊好夠奶; 但我左邊就一定都未試過, 咁點算好?!

依家我左邊胸好多問題, 又成日塞, 又成日硬, 仲要好少奶.....有時我都好懷疑個女啜唔啜到, 因為佢啜一陣就好快訓(啜右邊唔會的); 同埋我就算用pump, 要好辛苦好耐時間先pump到0.5-1安........ 但右邊就完全無呢個情況.....點算好?!


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359#
發表於 08-2-12 16:23 |只看該作者
rose-mag, 你真係超詳細, 可以出書啊, 哈哈;
其實你提到既種種, 我都係做到..... 一半到咋;

不過我想問下食維他命, 自己買現成ok嗎? 定要搵e生開呢?! 其實我算食得.....少, 我估; 一日食2-3餐..... 但就盡量每餐都食2碗飯囉.... 唔係我唔想食係真係唔知食乜好, 依家得我睇住bb, 佢又成日喊, 有時食個麵佢就喊足咁耐, 我都唔知佢做咩越黎越痴身......

休息.... 講真, 因為個女訓既時候每次都好短 (可能45-60min), 有時我愛左佢訓, 跟住我去下toilet, pump下奶, 佢已經想醒..... 我仲點訓....

我係全人奶, 無乜必要 (有時去睇e生先餵奶粉) 都唔會俾奶粉佢食....... 講真都幾stressed, 因為我2個鐘就會餵一次, 希望密密餵佢會食得好o的...變相我休息既時候就少左咁囉.....


大宅

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360#
發表於 08-2-12 16:45 |只看該作者
係啊, let down 就係咁之嘛~

有0的人會覺得痛/「拿」, 有0的人就無感覺, 都係正常0架~ 其實 let down 係兩邊一齊的, 所以, 你右邊不斷有 let down, 出到奶, 左邊咪越黎越塞囉...



原文章由 brbaby2007 於 08-2-12 16:19 發表
多謝兩位高手媽咪啊. 咁let down即係o的奶自己噴出黎? 我右邊胸試過架, pump既時候就見到, 但係無拿一拿架喎.... 正常嗎? 初初以為埋身餵無let down, 但有一次個女食食下甩左嘴, o的奶四圍咁噴, 我就知.... 我右邊好 ...
@ 如果有錢有社會地位先至會被人喜愛,呢個世界就太可悲了 @

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