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大宅

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發表於 06-4-6 13:52 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

每年有10%回報? 你知道嗎? 如果你有一種方法, 能保證你的資金每年有10%穩定回報, 你可以去高盛, 里昂, 摩根Stanley 見工, 佢地會爭住以年薪十億美元請你. 你無需再用自已有限的資金來投資.

至於居屋, 只有萬幾個, 分幾年賣出, 亦唔會賣得平, 賣平左, 長毛會話政府賤賣資產, 有人要落台.

SHK一定會講重質不重平價, 因為有質才有$$$, d地皮的來貨價好貴咖. 賣平左, 成間公司的土儲即時貶值.



Denbee 寫道:
I am the same..I just sold my flat and rent a flat.
I had paid the mortage for 5 years already, but still want to sell it. The interest rate is too high, I paid HK$7300 per month, just 30% of my family income, however just HK$2000 deducted from the loan, HK$5200 for the interest. And also HK$1200 for the management fee and Land Rate. It is not worth to keep the flat. After i sold my flat, I can get some money back, invest...& invest...

Even I get 10% return every year, it is mostly cover the rent fee...Remember the management fee and land rate are also saved...HK$18000 per year..
The investment profit may be more in the years...the mining fund..the gold price and also the Golden Four Countries..there are a lot of chances for investment..much more better than holding a property.

The flat i rent now is bigger than my old flat, more convenient, shopping centre/cinema nearby..i have spent some money to decolorate it, even it is not my own house..to make myself staying happily.
Always in mind that..the difference between 'Poor Dad' & 'Rich Dad' is the money floating flexibility.

And also, there is no hope for the property market..less and less young people ...the main source of young people are from mainland China, they are not afford to buy a private flat mostly..they relies on public housing. The public housing will be released in Year 2007..so many flat for selling..The middle range of housing will be affected..esp selling price HK$1.2M-HK$1.8M private market.

Even Sun Hung Kei 's management said they will aim at the selling quantity rather than the selling price in the future..

there is no need to make your life burdened by a property...
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大宅

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發表於 06-4-6 15:07 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

咁SHK味死牛一面頸羅, 上水樓@$4,500呎, 唔近火車站, 高二手四成, 我放長雙眼睇佢點sale, 有時都要睇實質環境記.


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Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

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發表於 06-4-6 15:47 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

winghw 寫道:
我就剛剛租佐層樓。準備下星期搬。依家住的樓係買的。思前想後,我都係決定賣佐層樓租樓住。
因為愈來愈覺得,買樓真係制唔過。除非自己已經有一筆錢,可以係十年內供完層樓。以我的情況,我層樓要供30年,供佐兩年,還佐俾銀行的錢都可能得兩三萬,但每個月就供接近一萬。銀行的利息不停地加,只係去年,就因為加息,每個月我要俾多二千幾俾銀行。而且,個女出生後,更覺得間屋唔夠住,一年後,BB唔再睡BB床,我都唔知係邊到擺多張床俾佢睡。每個月花咁多錢供層樓,一來唔夠住,二來要成世幫銀行打工,真係愈唸愈覺得慘。
當然,我明白買樓的安定感覺。但以我既能力,要換層大D既樓,就要買接近20年樓齡的舊樓。咁樣一樣要供超過20年,到供滿,層樓又舊到唔值錢了。
除非樓價大跌,否則我唔會打算再買樓了。香港的樓市,根本俾班地產商操控,我地D打工仔,真係玩唔起。 :-(


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岩岩脫離左業主行列,成為租客。
睇通睇透,覺得做業主弊多於利:成世幫銀行打工、
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大宅

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26#
發表於 06-4-6 17:12 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

Lulujojo is right...I mentioned is that SHK aims at selling more flats rather than the price...
SHK sold at least 2000 flats in the previous years, they could sell flats easilier because of their good building quality, comparing with other land developers. So it is very worrying for the statement the SHK management made.

for 居屋, there is salary limitation for applying, am i right?? How can the government sell 居屋 at high price?? And also the housing authority will
sell the flats as fast as possible..because they are lack of money and also still need to pay the land rates even they are unoccupied. The possible prices for 居屋 is about 1.2M to 1.8M...I think the private housing between this price range will be mostly affected.

Even the Housing Authority sell the flats in three years..if I remember right..there are almost 17000 empty flats...average 5000 per years...that cannot be any price up since the supply is such big..

For the investment %, I think 10% profit is very conservative already.
Mining funds are steadily gain at least 20% each year, because of the supply-demand principle. Less and less raw materials and developing countries need them. I cannot think of a reason for price dropping, even raw materials are needed very much during war time.

please point out any facts that i mentioned wrongly as above..thank you.


男爵府

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27#
發表於 06-4-6 17:34 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

Denbee,

Your thought is as same as me.

I have sold my property last year and rent a flat now.

My husband and me also agree the price of property is a little bit high and the return is lower.

We will use this capital invest into stock market or other, we think the return is much better than the property.Even I get 10% return every year, it is mostly cover the rent fee... agreed

Now we need to paid the mortage and borrow the money from bank. It is a liabilities not a assets.







大宅

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28#
發表於 06-4-6 18:31 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

I'm so glad so many people have their opion about this topic. Because we are also considering to sale our apartment.
Since baby girl is born, we realized our flat is not big enough for us. Been look around HK Island, any 3 bedroom's not too old flat are all at least 5M or up. Price is so crazy, we definitely will consider just to rent one and use the saving to invest.


大宅

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29#
發表於 06-4-6 19:07 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

有關SHK的資料, 我搵緊, 請俾小小時間我.

有關居屋, 我記得係以私樓市價的七成出售. 而市價, 係由專業公證行計算所得. 唔會賣得平, 而且, 不是人人可買, 要符合入息條件才能買.

原材料類股份, 在過去一段時間的確有較大升幅, 但不等於未來兩三年的升幅都會咁大, 到底會再升幾多, 就要事后才有人知.

投資市場上有一句大家可能唔係咁鍾意聽的說法: "絕大多數人認同的, 就是錯誤的". 我看能源類股份就有d咁既跡象; 而樓市, 從這個Topic所見, 就仍未出現這種情況. 97的樓市, 就幾乎全民睇升, 03的樓市就幾乎全民睇跌, 今日雖然已有多人開始睇好, 但比起97, 很明顯, 未得時.

如果你準備將賣樓所套現的現金放在能源類股份上, 我勸你要三思, 錢, 係好辛苦地賺返來咖.
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大宅

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30#
發表於 06-4-6 19:32 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

17000個居屋貨尾都唔算多, 因為1990至2004年15年間每年平均住宅供應量42,588個, 未來三年每年只會有約二萬個.

呢兩年新樓消量由42K個減至17K個, 主要原因是港人信心未灰複. 現在很多人仍然將今日的樓價與03年的樓價相比, 得出 "現在樓價已很高" 的結論. 有早一日, 大家接受了今日的樓價, 壓抑多年的購買力就必將被引發. 而呢一日, 在經濟持續增長及通漲重臨的推動下, 正一日一日地行近.
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別墅

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31#
發表於 06-4-6 19:39 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

Total agree with you, and I also plan to sell my flat.


大宅

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32#
發表於 06-4-6 19:55 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

Part of the reason for property price go up in 90's is the baby broom in 60's & 70's, they are benifit from the economy growth and had to get married in 90's.
But if you study the population structure nowaday in HK, less young people because of the low birth rate. The main source of young people are immigrates from mainland China, with less education and resources.
There is no enough support for the middle-price property. Even some rich can buy property at a very high price, but no 用家 can 接貨 at such high price...
The property has no value if not sellable..有價無市


大宅

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33#
發表於 06-4-6 20:12 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

98-03是經濟走下坡的幾年, 出生率的確很低, 但05年開始, 隨著經濟的復甦, 出生率已顯著回升. 當然, 不會回到60's &70's 的出生率. 但出生率低是每一個世界大都市都在面對的問題, 你怎樣解釋London, USA major cities 的樓價升幅呢? 人地d出生率都好低.

回應返之前LuLuJoJo 所講:

"其實我覺得近年自金融風暴後, 因為大家對樓市無信心, wealth management係比以前流行左, 投資工具多元化左, 其實我認為展望將來呢種氣候會更加成熟, 呢 d 投資工具會商品化, 俾投資者(消費者)有清楚, 易明, 有口碑, 高透明度選擇, 我覺得都唔駛話執意一筆過投資係樓市方面丫, 好多人都未必有咁充裕資金, 要咩層樓其他野真係唔駛諗, 我始終prefer 分散投資多 d~"

在 Wealth Management 最普及的美國, 樓價都升到七彩啦. 我唔係唔贊成投資要多元化, 我自已都樣樣有d (包括能源股), 我亦不是說樓價一定會升, 不過賣左層自住樓來投資就真係唔贊成.

至於賣左層樓再租樓住, 我都試過一次, 那是在97年五月.

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大宅

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發表於 06-4-6 21:54 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

In my opinion, when I start to purchase the flat 4 years ago. At that time, when u notice for the property price drop down, I always think if that time I can be the vendor not owner, I should be enjoyed.
However, mine is the owner.

When I purchase the 2nd flat 2 years ago. Property price seems is rised up rapidly even in a short period.
I appreciate that how luck now can be the owner not vendor, otherwise, I don't think I can catch up more money during the property rised up.

It's really hard to forecast how it look like of the future with HK enomic. However, I believe that all should be getter well and especially for the property grow up in healthy.


子爵府

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35#
發表於 06-4-6 22:26 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

Property market (and stock market too) has its ups and downs. Only time will tell who has made the right buying and selling decision.....

:-(
:-| :lol: :-x :-P :mrgreen: :wink:


大宅

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發表於 06-4-6 22:35 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

Agreed. Can't predict as well.
But more important thing is, seldom heard about the unemployed news. That's means even salary is still maintain a lower level but people get the job with a stable income is the major factor.


大宅

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37#
發表於 06-4-7 10:05 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

hkchina2000 寫道:
winghw, 明白你既意思, 不過我想指出幾樣, 買的話, 月供只會隨利率升降而上落. 如果租, 會隨經濟表現及通漲而上落.

如果你話買係幫銀行打工, 咁租亦係幫緊業主打工.

如果樓市真係俾班地產商操控, 就更應買, 因為如果係, 就只會升不會跌. 樓市是受市場操控的, 而發展商只是市場參與者的其中一個.

我認為, 你咁迷惘的一個重要原因, 係因為你買左一層太貴的樓. 現在供樓人士的平均供樓支出是約收入的30%, 請問你當時是多少?


其實我層樓並唔係太貴,我係03年買,應該已經好好彩。當時新婚,D地產商為谷樓市,幾乎唔使首期就可以買樓。我就係咁落佐踏。當時樓價低,真係供抵過租。但一年後,情況就唔同晒。盡管我當時預計會加息,但都估唔到會加得咁快。不過呢個都唔係我決定租樓的原因。
你見到嗎?現在市場上的新樓盤,個個當自己係豪宅,九龍區平均賣到五六千元尺,港島區仲過分。就市場調查所得,香港九成的新樓係空置的,但地產市場一樣咁活躍。好明顯,有錢買呢D“豪宅”的多數係炒家。個個地產商新落成的樓宇都標榜自己幾“巴弊”,就係想“谷”高個價。我絕對唔相信樓價由市場決定,除非來多一次非典型肺炎(真係大吉利是,我都唔想)。香港地少人多,地就控制係政府同大部分地產商手上,所以,樓價,佢地有最終的控制能力。


大宅

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38#
發表於 06-4-7 10:26 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

我想問咁工資係唔係在經濟持續增長及通漲重臨的推動下, 將被引發急勁加薪呢??????-( ?-( ?-(

hkchina2000 寫道:
17000個居屋貨尾都唔算多, 因為1990至2004年15年間每年平均住宅供應量42,588個, 未來三年每年只會有約二萬個.

呢兩年新樓消量由42K個減至17K個, 主要原因是港人信心未灰複. 現在很多人仍然將今日的樓價與03年的樓價相比, 得出 "現在樓價已很高" 的結論. 有早一日, 大家接受了今日的樓價, 壓抑多年的購買力就必將被引發. 而呢一日, 在經濟持續增長及通漲重臨的推動下, 正一日一日地行近.


洋房

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39#
發表於 06-4-7 10:32 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

加薪?????? 有工做都好開心啦 ! :-( :-(


大宅

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40#
發表於 06-4-7 10:57 |只看該作者

Re: 租樓住的媽咪,你地對將來有什麼打算?

原來有咁多人對你d問題咁感興趣, 係呢度咁多人回應, 仲有d係 pm 我都未復.

經濟復甦就有如jum水效應, 試想象在cocktail台上放了幾層酒杯, 上層少過低層, 頂層只有一個, 如果你由上開始jum水, 只有上層那隻杯滿了, 才到第二層, 第三層, .... 到最下層.

如果自已的人工無增加, 就斷言香港經濟未復甦, 咁係對事實看而不見, 聽而不聞的表現. 我反而覺得, 如果低下層工資都有明顯增長, 全民歡騰的時候, 就已可能進入經濟過熱, 要套現的時候了.

唔應該再期望樓價會大跌, 以下係我早幾日復過一位網友的pm, 現擇錄如下, 這只是我的個人意見:

"很難看得到令樓市大跌的原因, 只要經濟保持增長, 我看樓市只會大漲小回. 經九七一役后, 金管局已做了很多事情去保護樓市, 例如是要求銀行批出按揭時, 要確保申請人入息豈馬是供款的兩倍, 就如我一樣, 跟銀行經理很相熟, 也不能跨越雷池半步, 所以現在起, 買樓人士的收入全部都有能力長線持有物業.

可能我們這一生都不會再看見樓市下跌四五成. 除非有戰爭或傳染病令人口大量死亡吧. 按現時社會而言, 機會極微."

至於新樓九成空置, 那只是你片面的感覺, 地政處的報告指, 全港有6.x%樓宇空置, 即約7萬間, 的確屬偏高水平. 新樓只有"豪宅"的空置率高, 一般住宅, 如Yoho Town, 及將軍澳的新盤, 絕不會有九成空置. 豪宅亦是我投資的目標, 但"豪宅"就不是.
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