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Baby refuses to take bottle, what should i do?

Hi everyone,

My baby is 5 months old and she's causing me headache. I have some questions regarding breastfeeding and weaning, grateful if anyone can give me some advice.

1. I've been BFing my baby girl since she was born. The first 2 months went really well. Her weight gain was steady and good. Since she was 3 months old, she started to refuse nursing quite often. Sometimes she finishes one side of my breast and then refuses the other side. Sometimes she even just have a few sips of one side and totally stops. She cries if i try to force her to nurse. But then, after half an hour or so, she may act like hungry again. As a result, i had to nurse whenever she feels like to, it's like taking small snacks throughout the day. Her weight gain became so little, dropping from 50ish percentile to 20ish percentile. Doctor said i should start solid to see if it helps. THerefore, i started feeding her solid food a few days ago even she's not 6months old yet.

i know other babies are drinking at least 6-7 oz milk each meal while they're 5 mos old. My baby is drinking so little, i bet she drinks less than 4oz (hard to quantify as she's bf baby). Is it normal? Anything i can do to help her drink more?

2. As she is sucking less and less, my milk supply is dropping a lot too. I wanted to supplement with formula but she cries whenever i bring her bottle. it's ok to use spoon to feed her though. However, i would like her to take bottle asap as i have to go back to work soon. I tried Avent and Dr. Brown's bottles but she still doesn't like them. Should i try other brands or types of nipples? Any BF mom faced this problem before and what did you do?

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Rose-mag,
enough rest is very important for you..
beside, I would suggest you to take the prenatal vitamin with provide enough iron for you.. if you still worry about your iron intake, red meat, a 5-10cc of red wine at dinner time, when you take iron .. aviod to take with milk or diary product.. that will be good enough.
if you take 12 beverages fluid a day and have at least 4 meals, and prenatal vitamin.. your nutrient should be good thru..
BP low.. may be because you have 2 children and do not take enough rest. other than that.. it means some underline illness ..which we don't know and you may need some blood work to find it out.

原文章由 rose-mag 於 08-4-7 12:15 PM 發表
Hi Nillie,
I have a question. Saturday, I caught a cold again and went to see a doctor. The doctor checked my blood pressure and he wondered why it's so low - 90/60. I am used to be slight low in b ...

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Nillie & Jolly,
Thanks for your advice. I take prenatal vitamins since I was pregnant and keep it when I'm breastfeeding but still have low blood pressure

. But, possibly I don't have enough rest. This morning, Amanda suddenly decided to wake up at 1:30am. I really want her to quit night-feeding, not just for my rest, but I also want her to have more sleep for her brain development. Well, I changed her diaper (it's big, possibly why she woke up) and hope that I could pat her to sleep. After 20 minutes of struggle, she cried crazily non-stop. I finally had to feed her to avoid her waking up Spencer. She finished in 30 minutes then fell back to sleep. I then needed to pump because she has not finish 2 sides. Around 3:30am, I went back to bed. At 6am, she woke up again for feeding (it's her usual breakfast time). I fed her and both of us fell sleep.

When I woke up, it's already 6:35am and I found Amanda sleeping well in my arm. But, no more than 10 minutes, she woke up after I put her down to her crib. She's such a light sleeper.

These days, she still eats little, usually max. 4oz for each feeding. Sometimes, my mom said that Amanda needs to rest several times before she can finish the 4oz. Yesterday, I gave her rice cereal mixed with peas. She did not show interest at the beginning but kept on asking for it after a while. She will make so much noise to complain if I could not give her a spoonful fast enough.

[ 本文章最後由 rose-mag 於 08-4-10 00:26 編輯 ]

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nilliemama,
我終於給我隻仔餵第一餐formula了. 係呀, 我買左你講既similac ready to feed比佢食. 我買既係8oz一支, 一pack有六支. 開出來真係好香喎, 我自己唔飲奶都覺得佢香. 不過D頻色就怪D. 我坐暖少少比佢飲, 佢一試, 冇乜掙扎, 肯飲添, 飲飲下飲完七安. 我仲開心過佢... 跟住我自己就覺得谷奶了... 原來我一路都夠奶比隻仔食的... 可能我低估自己了...

多謝你教我買呢隻奶比佢. 我都用佢來開米糊比佢試食了. 希望順利啦...

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發表於 08-4-11 06:22 |只看該作者

my dear..
Sorry for delay message response.. as I work 9-5 mon to fri.. no longer a Night shift nurse, work 3 nights a week..
so I don't have much time to access to internet..
can I ask you a few question.. while you said that your infat gets cranky and refused to latch on.. do you have engorgement as you can't get your infant latch on you?
Do you have enough milk supply?
How many oz you can pump each size every feed if she refused to latch on?
relax.. let's figure it out..
as she is 5 months old.. Don't worry.. let her starts with rice cereal mixed with bf (with single grain).
after 3-4days with no allergy occur..
we can move on and give her some apple sauce.
ok?
1.watch for any signs that her daily life is changing.. which makes her insecure.
2. teething .. is that a reason why she is uncomfortable?
3. if she is used to her Avent and Dr. brown, that should not be a reason.. but if she is new to bottle.. then try some others..
where do you live.. in US or HK.. that makes a different. We don't have the japanese brand here normally.
I will check the message once I have a chance.

原文章由 JamJam2007 於 08-4-8 12:37 PM 發表
Hi everyone,

My baby is 5 months old and she's causing me headache. I have some questions regarding breastfeeding and weaning, grateful if anyone can give me some advice.

1. I've been BFing my baby ...

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Jolly,
sorry to reply in English, as time limited, very rush..
have to reply so many questions over all different forums.
I am so glad that your lil one would take Similac advance ready to use, that is the one I gave to Amanda.. when she wean bf on her 8months old (by herself

..she didn't want me

) so I have to give her Similac advance, as when she's born in hospital, she did top up with Similac when I was sleeping at 2am every night.
As she is a normal infant, and good with Similac, so I always recommend it at the 1st line.
now you can relax..
once she is good with rice cereal, you need to move to the next step for other solid food.. ok?

原文章由 Jolly 於 08-4-10 10:05 AM 發表
nilliemama,
我終於給我隻仔餵第一餐formula了. 係呀, 我買左你講既similac ready to feed比佢食. 我買既係8oz一支, 一pack有六支. 開出來真係好香喎, 我自己唔飲奶都覺得佢香. 不過D頻色就怪D. 我坐暖少少比佢飲, ...

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原文章由 JamJam2007 於 08-4-9 01:37 發表
Hi everyone,

My baby is 5 months old and she's causing me headache. I have some questions regarding breastfeeding and weaning, grateful if anyone can give me some advice.

JamJam2007,
I have gone thru what you are facing now. My daughter Amanda was bornt at 6X% of percentile and even the doctor asked me not to feed her too much when she reached 10lb in the 1st month checkup. When I needed to plan to go back to work and start her with bottle-feeding, she refused to drink from bottle and every feeding with a bottle was just like a battle. She cried crazily, moved her head left and right to avoid the bottle, went to sleep... she would take no more than 2oz each time. My mom helped me to take care of her. In the first few weeks after I went back to work, Amanda took so little milk and sucked so crazily when I came home and fed her. She even woke up 2-3 times every night for feeding, we guessed that she wanted to supplement more at night so that she can stand for starving in daytime. From then on, her weight gain slowed down but she's still in the 50th percentile and the doctor told me not to worry as baby's weight gain will slow down when she grows older. And, possibly my daughter is a light eater and she has adjusted her intake.

Then, gradually she get used to the pattern that she needs to drink from the bottle when I'm not around. She takes the bottle when my mom feeds her. But, still, she's picky. When my hubby feeds her, she does not really want to drink. She's going to be 8 months now but she still drinks so little milk, no more than 5oz for bottle-feeding. When I feed her skin-to-skin, she sometimes can drink a lot (If I express milk with a pump, I can get 6-8oz of milk). I have just started her with 1-2 feeding of rice cereal and babyfood. She's doing okay but still want to supplement with skin to skin afterwards.

Give your baby some more times and have a stable caregiver other than you to feed her with bottle. For your milk flow, exclusively feed her skin to skin during weekend or holiday, also skin to skin before and after work can help to maintain production. And, if she does not willing to suck on you, you may need to pump regularly. At least, if she does not want skin to skin, you can still have breastmilk to feed her.

One more thing - have you tried different bottle and nipple? Baby who prefers skin to skin usually does not like small and hard teat. You should try wide-neck bottle and soft teat for your baby. I use The First Year Breastflow bottle and the teat is double layer, very soft. I have seen a caregiver giving a bottle called Adiri for a baby in her daycare and she shown me the bottle. The bottle is wide and the teat is very soft, like mommy's nipple but it possibly cause gas problem. Check out and see if you can find a bottle that your baby likes.

[ 本文章最後由 rose-mag 於 08-4-12 01:06 編輯 ]

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Jolly and Nillie, thanks for your reply.

My baby girl started to refuse to suck on my breasts since she was 3 months old. At that time, my breasts were still very full, so i don't think she did this because she felt frustrated with inadequate supply. As this problem occurs, my breast have become less and less full. Right now, i think i can only pump out 4 oz in total when they are VERY full. On a bad day, she only sucks a few sips and then turns her head away. If i force her to suck more, she even 反胃 and nauseated. I feel sad when i see her do this.

i always wonder if other babies 反胃 too when they don't feel like nursing. Or if my baby has some appetite problem. I have started to give her solids about 2 weeks ago. It seems she loves solids. I did as Nillie said, rice cereals at dinner time and some apple puree in the afternoon. She takes solid well, but nursing problem still persists. I really want her to drink more milk, as it is the most important source of food for babies even they start taking solids, isn't it?

As for the bottle problem, after a week of battle with her, she is less resistant against bottles. She will struggle for a few minutes and usually after that she will take it. I bought NUK bottle the other day and it works better. If she totally accepts bottle and have good intake, i will wean her off breastmilk. I will feel sad having to wean her off breast milk so soon but there isn't anything i can do.

Before startig solids, she generally poos once a day, sometimes one poo in 2 days. Now that she is on solids, the frequency of pooing is the same, is this normal? This once a day pooing, does it mean she is not drinking enough milk, or some babies are like that?

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Hi JamJam2007,
Me too, these 2 days, when Aflred saw his bottle, he cried, and if I force him to eat, he will 嘔. I don't know why thses happen... but normally, he will act like these 2 days and then return to normal.....
But when my 99 saw this, she force me to give BB solid food, cos it is easy to feed my BB to have solid food, he like it..... e.g. cereal, apple, banana...... my 99 will try to give bb 粥 when I am not around, cos I stop her to give it to bb as I think it doesn't have enough vitamins. If I am not home, I think my 99 will change all BB's 4 meals into solid food, Alfred is just now 6 mths, and I only allow to give Alfred 1 cereal per day.. so these days, in order to take control of my 99, I stay at home all the time, but I think we will start frighting on this soon....

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原文章由 JamJam2007 於 08-4-14 02:30 發表
Jolly and Nillie, thanks for your reply.

My baby girl started to refuse to suck on my breasts since she was 3 months old. At that time, my breasts were still very full, so i don't think she did this ...

JamJam2007,
Why you want to wean your daughter from drinking breastmilk? It's good to give breastmilk to baby as compared to formula and baby should takes milk at least for 12 months. Even though you start solid on your daughter, milk is still the major source of nutrition before 1 years old. In US, moms usually start giving cow's milk(whole milk) to baby after she turns 1 years old. My kids' pedi said that it's fine to nurse until up to 18 months old. After that, I should think about weaning her as she will need nutrition from other kind of food and also she need to learn trying different food textures.

For poo poo, it's still normal for baby not to have poo everyday. Particularly for some breastfed baby, poo does not happen everyday. My kids' pedi told me that I don't have to worry unless the baby has no poo for 10 days. It seems so ridiculous but the pedi said that it's okay for bf baby not to have poo everyday. Once you start solid, the poo may be not that frequent as well as more sticky and stain. More liquid intake would help baby poo more easily. So, you should still giving enough milk to your baby.

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原文章由 JMW 於 08-4-14 23:35 發表
Hi JamJam2007,
Me too, these 2 days, when Aflred saw his bottle, he cried, and if I force him to eat, he will 嘔. I don't know why thses happen... but normally, he will act like these 2 days and then ...

Jackie,
The old generation usually thinks different. Luckily, my mom respect my thoughts and she also does not agree on starting solid too soon. During the weekend, she saw her old neighbor feeding her daughter with rice (not congee but rice for adult!).

Her daughter's just no more than 1 week younger than my little Amanda who will turn 8 months old in a few days. My mom's neighbor also told her that she is planning to wean her daughter from drinking breastmilk because she wants to find a job and daycare is free for her (she's in low-income bracklet).

I would say that it's not good for baby to eat solid food exclusively before she turns 1 years old. Even after 1 years old, kid should still continue to drink milk to maintain calcuium intake for her tooth and bone development. I have just started Amanda with rice cereal no more than a month and babyfood for only one week. Since she's sick and coughed so much before, I held up a bit to start solid for her. She can sit without suport and she enjoys having rice cereal mixed with babyfood everyday. I gave her 2 meals everyday, 1 at lunch time and 1 at dinner time but I will supplement her with extra milk after that. At the beginning, I just gave her 1 tablespoon and now she demands for almost 3 tablespoons. She will keep making noise to ask for it even after she finishes it. I wonder if she is still really hungry or just like the way to be fed.

Plain congee is not adequate for providing sufficient nutrition to baby. If your 99 insist on feeding Alfred with congee, you can ask her to make it with some meat and vegetable (do not feed the meat and vegetable) or mix it with some babyfood. Are you going to be full-time mom? If you still need your 99 to take care of your son, better ask your husband to talk to her on how to feed Alfred. Otherwise, it would be an everlasting fight between you and her. My 99 likes to give some inappropriated food to my son but I usually will not say too much to her unless it's really bad for Spencer as we won't take Spencer to visit her so often and she is not willing to come visit us.

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Rose Meg,

I konw it's not good for Alfred to take so much solid food now, but you know, old people - my 99, feels that if BB now can take solid food, he is so 叻, and giving solid food is much easier than giving milk, even all BB's body is solid food! And if we give Alfred solid food, he won't cry.......

As my 99 is living very close to us, just 2 mins walk and every night we go to 99's home to have dinner. Also, she love c-ing Alfred, as she believes that Alfred brings her good luck, so she must take Alfred to her home everyday. The only way I can do is take Alfred to my home to feed him (don't let 99 c Alfred cry for rejecting the bottle)..... As my 99 has many outing.... so actually I can successfully don't let 99 c Alfred cry.. but the meal at around 7pm, oh..... it's terriable... As my 99 is around, then she conplain me 4-5 times before. One time I can't stand for her and reply her that if she insiste, I won't let her c Alfred, so she stop. My husband doesn't say anything on this as he doesn't want to fight with her mon........... I understand that....... but let's c, Alfred today is doing quite good on bottle again... hope he can contine......

I started to give apple, banana, tomato to Alfred, and seems he like it, later, I will try other fruit and vegtable.....

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Jackie,
Don't offer tomato to Alfred before 1 years old because it contains some kind of acid which may cause discomfort to baby's stomach. To ensure baby take vegetable, I would suggest to start with veggies first, says peas, beans, squash, carrot, sweet potatoes, then fruit. The trick is to offer food with plain taste and then the sweet stuff. Every baby takes apple, banana no problem because it's sweet. Spencer even loves carrot which is strong in taste. I gave peas, beans to Spencer first and I did not give him any fruit before he tried all the veggies.

Maybe I worry so much, but when I read the label on the box, I am always so shock that how come there's so much sugar in baby food! I will add water to juice before I give it to Spencer. My 99 always tell me how her daughter's sons eat and what they eat - raisins are good, juice everyday... I understand all these but I just want my son to have a healther diet, not overeat on one particular item. Now, Spencer is a veggies lover, all kinds of "choi", squash, potatoes, sweet potatoes and he drinks water with no complaint (have seen so many kids refuse water but ask for juice). The only headache we have right now is that he suddenly does not drink so much milk after we take away his bottle and offer him sippy cup and we have tried at least 5 different kinds of sippy cups. He likes to bite a hole on the nipple part, hold the cup upside down and see the milk drip off on the floor.

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Thanks Rose-Mag,

I just gave Alfred tomato 2 days.... he seem quite love it, I also afraid that it contain some acid, so just give him little each time, and this afternoon, I give back apple to him. I've tried banana yesterday, but his poo poo with many black small line in it and it seem terriable... it just look like those found in Banana Cake which made by my friend, so I give Alfred Apple today to c tomorrow poo poo is ok or not, if not, maybe will need to c doctor tomorrow to c what happen!!

I will try other kind of food some days later, to c which one Alfred like and try to introduce more kind of food to him! Update u later! And thanks for your suggestion again!

原文章由 rose-mag 於 08-4-15 23:59 發表
Jackie,
Don't offer tomato to Alfred before 1 years old because it contains some kind of acid which may cause discomfort to baby's stomach. To ensure baby take vegetable, I would suggest to start wit ...

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haha.. miss something.. yes, I also know that there is much sugar in baby food, so I am not going to buy those bottle baby food from supermarket, and I will make fresh juice for Alfred. As he only drink around 1oz fresh juice per day, so it is easy to make....

Besides, how u introduce "Choi" to Spencer???? just give it to Spencer alone or mixed with other kind of food and how much each time?

Alfred seem like water, but I don't want to give him so much as I'm afraid after drink water, he can't drink milk, so only give water to him when he eat cereal, I think around 0.5-1oz...

原文章由 rose-mag 於 08-4-15 23:59 發表
Jackie,
Don't offer tomato to Alfred before 1 years old because it contains some kind of acid which may cause discomfort to baby's stomach. To ensure baby take vegetable, I would suggest to start wit ...

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原文章由 JMW 於 08-4-16 00:16 發表
haha.. miss something.. yes, I also know that there is much sugar in baby food, so I am not going to buy those bottle baby food from supermarket, and I will make fresh juice for Alfred. As he only dr ...

Oh, when Spencer is okay with thicker food (possibly close to 1 years old), I boiled some "choi" and minced it every fine. Put it into the congee together with the "choi juice". Also, my mother liked to make congee with liver, chicken and vegetable so that the congee is quite tasty. When he's 15 months old, she even minced the liver and cut the choi into small pieces and offered them to him. He had no problem eating all these. Since Alfed is so young now, you can boil peas or beans and smash them with a little bit of water or milk = homemade babyfood. For squash, carrot, sweet potato, potato, the same way, very convenient. For apple or pear, I scratch it with a small spoon and then the texture would be fine enough for Spencer to swallow. For banana, just choose the rippen one and smash a little bit with a spoon. Oh, one thing, no orange or citrus juice to baby before 1 years old, same thing like tomato.

Little Amanda is now having her peas and she appears so exciting every meal.

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Dear Nillie, I am feeling exactly you said. I am wondering if we had made a wrong mistake.....please check your pm.
Isaac has 2 teeths on the bottom and 2 on the top are coming now. He bites me whenver I breastfeed him, what should I do? I am scared bf him now. I tried to stop him with my serious voice "don't bite moma" , he laughs out so loud and think that I am playing with him. I stopped giving him until his next meal. But it didn't work....he still bites me. I don't want to stop bf him :( what should I do?

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你哋要瞓多啲呀! 到你landed 之後, isaac可能會有jetlag, 又冇工人姐姐幫手, 你哋會好攰,even may feel... 移民真係揾自己笨, 但要咬住牙關..
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Isaac.cheng,

My Alfred now has 2 teeths - at bottom, and sometimes he will bit me when I bf him, I also want to know how can we stop BB doing this. If he bit so frequence, maybe I will try to put on my nipple shield!

原文章由 Isaac.cheng 於 08-4-18 03:58 發表
Dear Nillie, I am feeling exactly you said. I am wondering if we had made a wrong mistake.....please check your pm.
Isaac has 2 teeths on the bottom and 2 on the top are coming now. He bites me when ...

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