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發表於 07-7-23 00:58 |只看該作者

Elmolly,
Thanks, I'm going to have a girl this time if the ultrasound is correct. Finally, I still have to feed both breast milk and formula to my son because my milk flow was still not enough to feed him (he's a big eater!) But, it's okay as he gained weights and turned out to be quite healthy. For organs, I'm not so sure but those are the food that I mostly ate during the time. So, you can take it as reference as everybody is different.

Tell yous sister in law not to stop. My son was very seriously jaundice - he was 18 degree and the normal acceptable level is 11. So, he needed to stay in ICU 2 days before he was discharged. Afterwards, he was sent to NICU (a more intensive care unit than ICU) for another 3 days. One of the nurses who is a Chinese explained to me the only way to get rid of jaundice is to feed more the baby and place him in the photo-theraphy box intensively. She said that I need to feed my baby more milk to let him poo out more - so that he can get rid of those toxic stuff from his body. If your sister in law can breastfeed more, it is perfect. If not, pump out the milk and bottle feed your nephew. Even formula feed your nephew more is okay. The only way is make him eat more. Therefore, after breastfeeding each time (I know that I did not have enough milk and my son was not latching well at the beginning), I will supplment with at least 3 oz of milk from the bottle to him. It still need a bit of time for him to be considered not yellow but at least his yellow level dropped down from 18 to 11 in 3 days. Some doctors or nurses may tell you that you just need to feed on demand but for yellow baby, you may really feed more and more frequent so that to help him building up his immuze system. That's what the NICU nurse told me and it worked for my son. Honestly speaking, it is quite common for Asian baby to have jaundice, even white ones have that problem. But, it can affect the brain development so we have to take it seriously. Your sister in law can ask more information from the doctor and the nurses. But, at least, I have not heard of breast milk causing jaundice. Baby is bornt to have it but not to catch it from the mom's milk.

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發表於 07-7-24 02:59 |只看該作者

Elmolly,
Good question.
1. Stop eating all animal intestine (內臟), and 白鴿.. those food will reduce your milk supply very soon. Don't worry too much about iron intake, as if you eat red meat regularly, there should be no problem.
For your concern about infant iron intake, once your infant reaches 6 months, and you introduce rice cereal, they got enough iron there.. otherwise, you can consider infant multi-vitamin plus iron drop.

2. It is true, if your sister in law's infant has very bad /severe jaunice, she should stop breast feeding for a while, wait until the "yellow" disappear!!
Feed her son with formula is the way to help "clear the yellow".
She can express her breast milk and stock it up, and feed her son with formula.
Once the jaunice reduce. she can skin to skin her son again.

For you, once your nipples heal, you can skin to skin Andrea as usual. Formula as back up, feed her with skin to skin 15 mins, at the same time, you express the other breast and feed Andrea with the express milk by bottle.
If you feel hard to achieve, no problem, keep going with skin to skin 15 mins, then feed Andrea with formula.
That is the way to keep her sleep well. ^o^
Once she sleeps well, you will have a good rest too. so your nipples will not get sore.. that will be a good cycle.

I used to work like that.. no problem. and I get used to pump at work and skin to skin Gabriel at home now.

原文章由 elmolly 於 07-7-22 06:07 AM 發表
Nillie_Mami and rose_mag,

thank you for you all's encouragement! I'll try my best to nurse my girl, hopefully can last until she wearn breast milk too, well, 6 months is my short-term target.
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發表於 07-7-24 13:29 |只看該作者

原文章由 Nillie_Mami 於 07-7-24 02:59 發表
Elmolly,
Good question.
1. Stop eating all animal intestine (內臟), and 白鴿.. those food will reduce your milk supply very soon. Don't worry too much about iron intake, as if you eat red meat ...

Nillie,
Ai Ah! Maybe because I have eaten animal intestine that I could not increase my milk flow when I breastfed my son last time. I should stop eating it after my 2nd one born this time. How about drinking the soup made with pig's liver? Can I drink it still?

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發表於 07-7-25 00:36 |只看該作者

rose_mag,

Pig's liver is not good too, I'm sure about this, don't drink it ar, I wasn't sure about chicken, but hospital told me not to eat pig's liver. Good that you are having a girl! I love girls, if I'll have another baby, I want it to be a girl too, your family must be very happy that you are having a 好. My in law sounds alright, she's now mixing feed her boy, I guess her doctor will let her know if she needs to stop BF if the level goes up.

Nillie_Mami,

I went to health clinic today and Andrea now weights 6.37kg, the nuse said it's good if she only has formula once a day, is she doing ok? I asked them for those problems that I'm facing, they only told me to feed on demand and count the wet diaper

I'm now going back to the old practice, skin to skin as much as I can but allowing myself to give Andrea formula once a day, so make it less stressful. How can you have so much milk every time you express? I usually only have 1-3oz. but the milk comes faster after I eat more. She poo poo both yesterday and the day before, is it because she's now taking formula? I'll switch back to the way you taught me for skin to skin 15mins then giver her bottle if my nipples go sore again. If I keep it this way, I'll need to give her more formula since I don't have much expressed milk as back up. She slept like 45 mins this afternoon, it's already very good to us:loveliness:

[ 本文章最後由 elmolly 於 07-7-25 01:19 編輯 ]

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發表於 07-7-25 19:53 |只看該作者

Rose-meg, elmolly,
I would suggest not to eat any animals intestines and organs, because we can't make sure that they are clean.. that is the main reason.. (because we don't know what they were fed with??)

elmolly,
Keep on skin to skin and then formula as back up, and express your milk and stock it up.
your infant have bowel movement not because she has formula, it is because you change your diet.
Formula will cause constipation instead.
Glad that Andrea and you have a good afternoon!!!

I am very sick this day
呢幾日好病, night 咗4晚..
慘喇! 我以為自己花粉症, 潯日去睇ENT, ENT 話我short 咗... 落雨點會有allergy.. 點解會咁唔alert.. 佢話我係 severe 鼻竇炎, acute 鼻炎, 同鼻敏感.. 而家要on 6日steroid, 10日 anti-biotics, 15日 chest suppressant.. 慘喇, 3個禮拜冇得餵人奶... 好驚Gabriel 以後唔要skin to skin

原文章由 elmolly 於 07-7-24 11:36 AM 發表
rose_mag,

Pig's liver is not good too, I'm sure about this, don't drink it ar, I wasn't sure about chicken, but hospital told me not to eat pig's liver. Good that you are having a girl! I love ...

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發表於 07-7-25 23:20 |只看該作者

原文章由 Nillie_Mami 於 07-7-25 19:53 發表
Rose-meg, elmolly,
I would suggest not to eat any animals intestines and organs, because we can't make sure that they are clean.. that is the main reason.. (because we don't know what they were ...

My mom ate these when she breastfed me and my brother. Her milk flow was so much that she can feed both of us. Well, the time is different now (at least it's talking about so many years ago lar) and you are right, we don't know what they were fed with.

Take good care, I think that you have worked too hard. Don't worry about skin to skin. My aunt tried to wean my cousin when she's 1 years ago. Since she only took milk from my aunt (no bottle, no formula), she still ask for bf after my aunt stopped feeding her for almost a month. Your health come first now.

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發表於 07-7-26 12:04 |只看該作者

Nillie_Mami,

steroid + antibiotics, sounds really serious cause I know the Dr in the States won't prescibe steroid easily. Lucily you have some good stock for Gabriel. Don't worry about the skin to skin, my wound was infected like 10 days after the c-section, and needed to take antibiotics too, Andrea was fed by bottle the whole week but she sucks even better after that week! Gabriel is almost 7 months old and should be able to recall the good taste and good texture of your nipples

take some good rest! are your night shifts all over?

rose_mag,

I agreed with Nillie_Mami, so don't eat any animal's organ, especially pig's liver. I'm sure that it'll supress the milk supply. Stop eating for this time to see the difference and you'll know what's the best for breast-feeding for your 3rd kid :lol

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發表於 07-7-26 12:54 |只看該作者

原文章由 elmolly 於 07-7-26 12:04 發表
Nillie_Mami,

steroid + antibiotics, sounds really serious cause I know the Dr in the States won't prescibe steroid easily. Lucily you have some good stock for Gabriel. Don't worry about the sk ...

elmolly,
I won't eat the animal intestine this time. Of course, the baby comes first. No 3rd one lar! It's so difficult to raise a kid, 2 are good enough. Also, my husband and me are getting old. We don't want to reach the retirement age before our kids grow up.

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發表於 07-7-27 02:49 |只看該作者

elmolly,
In US, to raise 2 kids--> is really not easy.. because we don't have anyone can take care of them..
to hire a nanny.. my baby sitter lives in, work 6 days, unlimited sick leave, salary is USD1400. to just sleep with my son and do the laundry and cook dinner only.
It is really expensive to raise 2 kids. As we had our second kid, then we have committment, no more kid.

Hey for better iron intake (apart from animal intestine and organ) you can eat deep green vegatables, cereals, oatmeal, red meat.

Rose-meg,
took 2 days sick leave (I only work at night, as a night charge nurse).. I am kind of recover today.. will continue my antibiotics, steriod, and all those meds.. *sigh*..
I miss the feeling of skin to skin.

原文章由 rose-mag 於 07-7-25 11:54 PM 發表
elmolly,
I won't eat the animal intestine this time. Of course, the baby comes first. No 3rd one lar! It's so difficult to raise a kid, 2 are good enough. Also, my husband and me are get ...

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發表於 07-7-27 11:51 |只看該作者

Nillie_Mami and rose_mag,

woo, then you guys are brave enough to have 2 kids, but a lives in nanny can have unlimited sick leave?

hard to imagine without her suddenly. I thought most people will have many kids in the America, cause I saw many whites are having more than 2. US1400 is similar to a local nanny here in HK too, just we have choice to get those from overseas.

Nillie_Mami,

Does Gabriel look for you when he's hungry now? good that you are doing better now.

I'm going back to the bad sleeping cycle again. I need to confess that I was too tired to do the pumping so let Andrea to sleep with me on Tue, then her dad "volunteered" to feed her on Wed night, of course finally he fell to make her sleep so she was sleeping with us again (usually only my mom can do it). and last night when my mom tried to feed her and make her sleep, she's not taking bottle again, only drank like half of the milk and cried for half an hour... but she had her shots yesterday, I don't know if this is the reason that she's being fussy, what should we do now? She's getting smart and would cry once we put her to my mom's room

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發表於 07-7-27 18:49 |只看該作者

原文章由 Nillie_Mami 於 07-7-25 19:53 發表
Rose-meg, elmolly,
I would suggest not to eat any animals intestines and organs, because we can't make sure that they are clean.. that is the main reason.. (because we don't know what they were ...

你地個個都講哂英文既.... 我無心機睇.

nillie:
唔會既, 你掛住skin to skin, 仔仔一樣會掛住你
話哂都食左六個月喇! 點會話唔食就唔食... 唔好擔心咁多. 保重身體為上上之策

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發表於 07-7-27 21:53 |只看該作者

Timyi,
我哋懶呀! as要續隻字寫.. 打keyboard 快靚正嘛.. 加上唔係個個媽咪去到china town, 買手寫板.. so 英文係唯一語言囉..
Gabriel 而家一見我都抓衫揾食.. 真慘

elmolly,
you need to stick with it. Andrea needs to go back to grandma's room tonight.
As you know, she gets smart, you need to set up the rules for her. at night, she sleeps with grandma. not you and your husband.
Not even a night for any excure. Otherwise, Andrea will get confuse.
She will get use to the bottle again. Sure for that!

原文章由 Timyi 於 07-7-27 05:49 AM 發表

你地個個都講哂英文既.... 我無心機睇.

nillie:
唔會既, 你掛住skin to skin, 仔仔一樣會掛住你
話哂都食左六個月喇! 點會話唔食就唔食... 唔好擔心咁多. 保重身體為上上之策

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發表於 07-7-27 23:07 |只看該作者

Nillie_Mami,

我部腦可以用老鼠寫,不過學你話頭要逐隻字寫,真係蚊都瞓.好慘呀,Gabriel見到你就抓衫揾食,你就有奶都唔比得佢食,唉:-(

but she's now SUPER attached to me at night, sometime doesn't even let her dad to hold her. how should we make her to let her grandma to feed her and sleep with her if she cries for 30 mins already

btw, do you know any web that you think it's good for calories calculation? I'm taking DHA's supplement (Expecta from Mead Johnson), is it necessary?

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發表於 07-7-28 01:51 |只看該作者

我仲死, 部腦唔support Chinese, 一定要Chinese, 只可以cut & paste其他人既articles, 逐隻字copy, 所以… sorry, 我都想寫Chinese, 不過我C6唔會Chinese, 所以無Chinese window, 其實我會Chinese typing, 都ok, 不過無個program就無得講 (我用左minimum 20 minutes to type these) :-(

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發表於 07-7-28 13:44 |只看該作者

elmolly,
I went thru that period as you did.. Gabriel was sleeping with me since he born.. and at his 3 months old.. Gabriel then sleeps with Ying EE.. he did cry a lot (as he slept at basement and I was on the first floor, the same room), I could hear his screaming.. but after 1/2 month.. he gets used to it.. and not crying anymore.. now he only attrach to Ying EE..

LLL called me back regarding of my medication.. they said that I am clear.. Augmentin and Methylpredisone is OK for breast feeding. they suggest me to skin to skin Gabriel immediately and not give Gabriel the antiobiotics which he suppose to take.. because he may have allergy to it.. if he needs antibiotics, he better drinks my breast milk to have the medication.
Thanks god.. I breast feed him before I go to work tonight, completed relief.. but I feel so gulity.. I didn't trust Gabriel's pediatrician, and would rather call the nurse from LLL (I don't have the medication book for breast feeding mom)

原文章由 elmolly 於 07-7-27 10:07 AM 發表
Nillie_Mami,

我部腦可以用老鼠寫,不過學你話頭要逐隻字寫,真係蚊都瞓.好慘呀,Gabriel見到你就抓衫揾食,你就有奶都唔比得佢食,唉:-(

but she's now SUPER attached to me at night, sometim ...

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發表於 07-7-28 13:45 |只看該作者

me too.. when I am at working.. Hospital PC doesn't support chinese.. I can read it but I can't type..
what a pity...

原文章由 rose-mag 於 07-7-27 12:51 PM 發表
我仲死, 部腦唔support Chinese, 一定要Chinese, 只可以cut & paste其他人既articles, 逐隻字copy, 所以… sorry, 我都想寫Chinese, 不過我C6唔會Chinese, 所以無Chinese window, 其實我會Chinese typing, 都ok ...

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發表於 07-7-29 10:11 |只看該作者

rose_mag,

20 mins, forget about it, English is fine as long as we understand each other

It's a shame that I'm a HKer living in HK but don't type Chinese

Nillie_Mami,

How about your antibiotics? you need to take it for 10 days, then still ok to feed Gabriel?

We are sticking to this painful process, last night she cried for 45 mins, it's really heart breaking. She was ok to sleep at first then suddenly woke up after 2 hours. We thought she was hungry but she was probably just realized I was not with her then kept crying for 45 mins.

How long does it take for the breasts to make milk that's enough for the next meal? sometimes I want to express milk but don't know when will Andrea be hungry so ends up "reserving" the milk for her.

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發表於 07-7-31 18:56 |只看該作者

elmolly,
haha.. yup.. I do type in Chinese, but as your guys don't mind.. so I am getting lazy..

There is no "formular" to calculate how many hours for your breast to build up the reservior.. because it is really "unique"
Your breast will become engore when Andrea feels hungry.
The way I am doing.. is .. I skin to skin him at day, every 3-4 hours, when I can see that he is seeking for me, no matter anybody wants to play with him and he is not interested in, and when he sees me, he smiles in the first sight, then cries.. with his thumb in his mouth.. that's mean, he needs a feed. Normally, it is happen every 3-4 hours.
after 8pm at night, I will pump the first time, and the reason is .. from 8pm, Gabriel will stay with his nanny at basement, so he will be bottle fed thru the night.
then I will pump at about 11pm to 12am, then I will pump again at 5-6am.. by about 9am Gabriel will wake up for skin to skin..
that is his schedule.
for you.. as I told you before, if you want good night sleep. you will need to let Andrea to be bottle feed weekday, 2 times skin to skin at weekday (1st = before you go to work, 2nd = after you finish work and come back home).
then skin to skin Andrea at weekweek as long as you like, but from bed time, bottle feed again till the morning.
you need to have a test drive with Andrea and find the way she can adapt to.

原文章由 elmolly 於 07-7-28 09:11 PM 發表
rose_mag,

20 mins, forget about it, English is fine as long as we understand each other

It's a shame that I'm a HKer living in HK but don't type Chinese

Nillie_Mami,

How ...

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發表於 07-8-1 03:39 |只看該作者

Nillie_Mami,

GOD, I typed a long reply then something went wrong and everything is gone!

well, welcome back first.

I don't know how to build up a regular pattern for Andrea to prepare for my work as it's now very chaotic both day and night time. She doesn't have a regular scheudle/pattern like Gabriel does.

Andrea usually wakes up at around 11:30 (with several feeds before this) then always making different sounds since around 12:30. She used to cry badly when she's hungry but she's not now, sometimes she just makes sounds so I don't know if she's hungry or not. Indeed, after she wakes up, sometimes she sleeps when I feed her like for 10mins or so then eats again, so ends up she's always eating and makes me even harder to tell if she's hungry or not. It's difficult to wake her up when she sleeps during eating. I didn't follow your instructions to give her formula after 15 mins cause my nipples are ok now. Sometimes, only sometimes if she eats well like 50mins non-stop then I know she gets enough. I can hardly have time to pump during day time in this way.

My mom is almost giving up to bottle feed her and make her sleep at night, as she cries so bad that 喊到嘔,婆婆買佢怕,試5分鐘左右就叫我餵佢,唉,點算?我諗我真係唔識湊佢. These 3 nights we bottle fed her then I sleep on grandma's bed and let her suck my nipple to sleep at 10:30, the first night was great, she could sleep for 6 hours, but in these 2 nights she wakes up at 2 (she's now awake and not sleeping at 03:33), at this time it's even harder for grandma to bottle feed her as she cries once the bottle approaches her mouth! I usually can only pump after she sleeps, and at around 4-5, but with her being like this I can't do anything... sleeping is so far from me :-(

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