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可否咁理解:
我認同妳個理解。
我就係不知 情為何物。我係阿保老婆+小女人。我從小,在我不知情為何物之前,就知道自己想要乜嘢嘅婚姻生活。所以我不用感情或愛情去擇偶。從來沒有人教我愛情是甚麼,怎麼界定。頭一個向我解析的是聖經裏愛的真諦:「愛是恆久忍耐,又有恩慈,愛是不嫉妒,不自誇,不張狂,不做害羞的事,不求自己的益處,不喜歡不義,只喜歡真理」。我就不斷照此方向磨練自己去愛人。
我嫁我前夫之前係同佢傾到好細節,我要求佢畀到我嘅婚姻生活,包括養埋我父母,經濟擔保得起我哥哥們一家新移民。我要做個相夫教子女,如薩拉順服阿伯拉罕 那般的順服丈夫,稱他為主 的全職家庭主婦。前夫都一一認為是好的,也以我提出的婚姻生活為目標。只是我當時還不懂審核結婚對象是否有能力達到我要的。結果,反倒我給了我前夫我自己的理性婚姻生活。我能畀到出來,因為我能堅持那 愛的真諦。
我對我前度未婚夫,我前夫 同我現任先生 都係一樣嘅要求,一事同人,冇偏心,我亦唔要求佢哋係性事上只同我。只要求佢哋持守安全性行為,對我坦白同過邊個,保障到我一生嘅婚姻生活,經濟上唔離棄我就得。
我沒有機會同我前度未婚夫講,佢就已經同我退婚。我前夫聽到就認為我唔愛佢。我剛問我先生點解佢平心接受到我咁而且照接我過門。
His analysis of why it works for him as having an Asperger me as his submissive wife:
--- to be continue 待續 ----






Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own  ~ H. Jackson Brown


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YolandaTam 發表於 20-4-25 11:30
我個 case 係小女人 + 阿保老公
我諗阿保唔係得一種嘅:
1)有啲生活自理力差,需要阿媽式貼身照顧

認同妳嘅分析。
我前夫就係妳講嘅第 2)佢愛面子,需要另一半0係人前低調做小女人。
佢雖然服唔到我 阿保症 嘅要求。但我嘅阿保症亦能畀足面佢做我大男人。
---續上 ---

我對我前度未婚夫,我前夫 同我現任先生 都係一樣嘅要求,一事同人,冇偏心,我亦唔要求佢哋係性事上只同我。只要求佢哋持守安全性行為,對我坦白同過邊個,保障到我一生嘅婚姻生活,經濟上唔離棄我就得。

我沒有機會同我前度未婚夫講,佢就已經同我退婚。我前夫聽到就認為我唔愛佢。我剛問我先生點解佢平心接受到我咁而且照接我過門。

His analysis of why it works for him as having an Asperger me as his submissive wife:


My neurotypical husband wrote this part:

Being in any long term relationship is hard work. Many married couples who are both are neurotypical complain of not receiving what they need from their partner. It may be lack of romance, lack of understanding, lack of respect for their partner’s feelings. Having a partner with Aspergers does have challenges but they are not that different than other relationships.


In our relationship, I am romantic and she is not. I do romantic things and she does not understand that they are romantic. In previous relationships when I try to discuss this with my partner, she would be upset and respond in a negative way. With my Aspergers partner, she accepts what I say without negative emotion. This makes it easier for us to discuss the situation and find ways to improve it. In our case I have found that, while she is not romantic, there are things I do that bring her great joy and excitement. So I focus my romantic actions in those areas. She loves to eat and be by my side, so I take her on business trips with me. This way she gets to stay near me and we have the opportunity to try new restaurants and new foods in whatever city my business takes me. It is a little different than the romance I normally enjoy, but seeing her enjoyment brings me great happiness.


We have also discussed the possibility of me taking on another partner to fulfill my romantic needs. She is comfortable with that as long as I am open from the start, keep her involved in the relationship and continue to care for her. As long as I do not leave her, she is not concern with me finding romance with someone else. That is part of the Aspergers. She has very specific criteria for her happiness. As long as I meet those, I have the freedom to do what ever I want.


In relations with Aspergers partner, the neurotypical is usually the one who takes care of the Aspergers partner. In my relationship I am a dominant, so taking care of my partner is natural for me. But being dominant all the time and always being the one in control is exhausting. Having spoken with other dominant / submissive couples, I have heard other dominants complain about the same thing. Being a dominant is a little different than being a care giver though. I can order my submissive to leave me be, let me rest, give me a back rub or make me dinner. That helps me to unwind. With an Aspergers partner you are dominant but also the care giver. I do not know if you have the option to make a restful place for your self or order your partner to help you make a restful place. But it is something you can talk to your partner about. With my Aspergers partner, she want to ensure I stay and take care of her forever, so she is willing to do many things for me to make sure I stay.


That is another aspect of having a Aspergers partner that I like. She has a very specific set of criteria she needs from me. As long as I meet those criteria she is happy. For her, this is love. She needs to have a man who will provide for her, give her a place to live, sleep and eat. She needs a man who will promise to stay forever and care for her. From my experience with relationships I have had with other women, I find my Aspergers is very easy for me to love, because it is very easy to understand what will make her happy. There is no guessing. There are no emotional game. We hardly ever fight because what each of us wants from the other is honest and simple which makes it easy to fulfill.


There is a downside too. She has said that if she find a man who is willing to marry her without dating and give her $5M USD so she can use it to care for her family, she will leave me and take the man with the money. I think she would really do this if the opportunity came up. Does that mean she does not love me? I do not think so. Does that mean she would chose me over the man with the money, probably not. It is a downside of Aspergers that the logical criteria for the relationship will overpower any emotions the person has underneath. I am not worried though. The chances of her meeting such a man are very low.




Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own  ~ H. Jackson Brown


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858D 發表於 20-4-25 13:00
認同妳嘅分析。
我前夫就係妳講嘅第 2)佢愛面子,需要另一半0係人前低調做小女人。
佢雖然服唔到我 阿保 ...

多謝分享!很有歷練的解說,思路清晰而且很有方向,腦交戰左咁多年睇完頓時有一言驚醒
感受到你地理性得來懂得怎樣愛和相處方式裡有份深厚的尊重,果然是你讚口不絕的好老公,對的人。
如果兩個人可以很明確知道自己要什麼好好談要怎麼相處,大概就不會產生無謂的期待和落空。

最尾個段downside , 俾我一早就玻璃心了。

同阿保相處要好聰明又有能耐,唔好俾佢傷得來仲要令佢欣賞自己無左自己唔得,好高難度啊。


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小菜豆 發表於 20-3-5 08:14
身為亞保(亞氏保加症患者)另一半,
兩人相處上亞保一定唔會係蝕底/佔下風的一方。
因為亞保冇同理心,

請問佢點追你,點令你同佢一齊?


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PTMCYS 發表於 20-3-5 14:56
不是間間教會的教義都可以接受得到, 真係要自己用腦來分析, 我聽電視報導, 南韓新天地教主說自己是耶穌托 ...



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本帖最後由 858D 於 20-4-26 13:33 編輯
pnylw 發表於 20-4-25 14:14
多謝分享!很有歷練的解說,思路清晰而且很有方向,腦交戰左咁多年睇完頓時有一言驚醒。
感受 ...

Yes, 如果兩個人可以很明確知道自己要甚麼,好好地談得出有共識的相處之道,不設一些對方現實上做不到的虛構期望,大大減低彼此的壓力。活在別人的期望中那位不開心,失望的那位又不開心。何苦呢。
我翻譯了你的回應給我先生聽。他說:對住我這阿保,佢唔會設 令我認為無咗佢唔得 為目標。因為,、、、
1. 阿保伴侶唔會唸到咁長遠那將來未落實的景況 無咗自己會點。
2. 要keep住阿保係自己身邊,就活在當下地 去 keep 阿保的 他/她 happy 在當下.


Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own  ~ H. Jackson Brown


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pnylw 發表於 20-4-25 10:29
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佢地知我地要結婚時見到佢地舒個口氣呢⋯⋯呢世都記得 ...

唔怕啦,就咁睇妳有能力應付亞保c6。
即使唔係大女人,但係都唔係小女人。
妳同c6都結咗婚幾年,而且足夠成熟處面對。
呢度妳係唯一亞保case確診咗同睇緊醫生,
已經叻過我哋,可以得到專業意見。
日後妳有咩嘢心得share,靠妳同我哋分享。
除咗知妳c6都係冇情感交流,有時受情緒影響,
仲有咩嘢令妳覺得難頂或憂慮生小朋友?
妳又點解繼續同佢一齊?

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858D    發表於 20-4-27 22:13


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有時啲阿保真係令人無語:

今日個女考 econ,份卷長, 佢又有一條 LQ 睇錯題目, 坐喺梳化度虛脫咁款.
佢阿爸問佢做乜, 佢話眼瞓. 但其實除咗眼瞓都有少少唔開心.
跟住佢阿爸就發揮尋根究柢嘅精神, 死問個女點解眼瞓. 問問吓個女就講話份卷幾深, 諗咗好多.又錯咗條LQ. 跟住阿爸就死 CHOK 問話有咩可以改善, 之後再發表佢嘅偉論: 咩自問 well prepared 就可以, 應該諗吓點改善啲眼殘錯(睇錯題)... 下刪一百字...

咁啱嗰陣我買完餸返屋企, 聽咗幾句, 我都覺得煩, 難為個女咁高EQ,只係好冷靜咁講話: 我明, 不過都可以覺得眼瞓嘅....
其實, 我一眼就知阿女係唔開心多過眼瞓囉... 我同阿女講返其實佔10%,好少, 佢就好返好多. 再同我講同同學賽後檢討嘅情況, 話人哋出埋BF 都同佢差不多...

其實想問呢, 阿保係咪真係咁鍾意查根究柢?


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YolandaTam 發表於 20-4-27 16:48
有時啲阿保真係令人無語:

今日個女考 econ,份卷長, 佢又有一條 LQ 睇錯題目, 坐喺梳化度虛脫咁款.

女女高中嗎?要考試?返學校(emoji)考嗎?


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mingmama 發表於 20-4-27 17:14
女女高中嗎?要考試?返學校(emoji)考嗎?

阿女中四, 喺屋企考, 老師預先指示同學印定答題紙, 開考時間經 GOOGLE CLASSROOM 放卷出嚟, 半小時後同學要 scan pdf 交卷.



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YolandaTam 發表於 20-4-27 17:38
阿女中四, 喺屋企考, 老師預先指示同學印定答題紙, 開考時間經 GOOGLE CLASSROOM 放卷出嚟, 半小時後同學 ...

明白~我女中二~都有類似嘅quiz喺屋企做~其實咁樣考仲大壓力過喺學校考

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YolandaTam 發表於 20-4-27 16:48
有時啲阿保真係令人無語:

今日個女考 econ,份卷長, 佢又有一條 LQ 睇錯題目, 坐喺梳化度虛脫咁款.

呢啲爸爸真係煩到嘔
我c6係尋根究底型,不過佢自己搵答案,
而尋究對象唔係人。


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本帖最後由 小菜豆 於 20-4-27 21:40 編輯
CTPIG 發表於 20-4-26 07:50
請問佢點追你,點令你同佢一齊?

佢冇追我,
當時我過晒中女年紀,拒絕過一個好有感覺嘅弟兄,之後一直等佢唔到,
公司又遇到個對我有感情寄託嘅把妹達人,
但我知唔夠強大包容佢無限次背叛,當時抵受唔到身邊人對我感情狀態議論紛紛,
考慮到自己需要,接受咗教會長老安排機會,
我哋之間冇經過情感曖昧,
係我表明心跡先,佢確認咗就一齊。





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YolandaTam 發表於 20-4-27 16:48
有時啲阿保真係令人無語:

今日個女考 econ,份卷長, 佢又有一條 LQ 睇錯題目, 坐喺梳化度虛脫咁款.

我62係尋根究底型,我c6就唔係,可能俾老豆煩得多。
其實佢地可以問,但問得來太單刀直入,問問下似質問多過關心/ 純粹8卦再評呢樣個樣,所以聽起來反感。
唔知係咪呢種感覺 ?

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小菜豆 發表於 20-4-27 07:59
唔怕啦,就咁睇妳有能力應付亞保c6。
即使唔係大女人,但係都唔係小女人。
妳同c6都結咗婚幾年,而且足夠 ...

本帖最後由 pnylw 於 20-4-27 23:58 編輯

我份人比較敏感,有少少唔make sense 就諗好多點解佢會咁做etc。就係對得佢多,對外人既敏感度同直覺差左好多,跟住情緒低落etc. 以前拍拖明明愈拍愈有自信喜歡付出,而家反而鈍左又怕付出?因為付出了沒有回報/回應吧。

週期性發作想分開,趁未有小朋友. 好想有返愛個種感覺

睇左咁多版,相信小阿保會好過上一代的好多,feel 到家庭有凝聚力,各位媽媽有好大好大的功勞。


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小菜豆 發表於 20-4-27 19:37
佢冇追我,
當時我過晒中女年紀,拒絕過一個好有感覺嘅弟兄,之後一直等佢唔到,
公司又遇到個對我有感情 ...
畀我呢個阿保來估中 妳嘅答案。多數阿保都係做被動或被追嘅,阿保就算唔係被追嗰方,一般情況下都唔會選擇花資源係曖昧上,更加唔會死纏難打放唔低咁浪漫。

我一生人中去到最盡都只係主動示意暗戀一位教我數學的大學教授那麼一次。結果唔成功。我同自己講以後我就只有這一次主動,下不為例。我後感:三小姐我 由細到大,從幼兒園時期到入大學都不斷有鍾意我嘅男生們主動纏(追)我。只有人哋排隊成為候選人畀我揀,冇我成為人哋候選人等人揀我嘅。

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小菜豆    發表於 20-4-28 09:33
Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own  ~ H. Jackson Brown


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小菜豆 發表於 20-4-27 19:31
呢啲爸爸真係煩到嘔
我c6係尋根究底型,不過佢自己搵答案,
而尋究對象唔係人。
我都係妳形容嘅,我係尋出因 嘅條件,事物,思維,焦點邊樹可以改變而得到更好嘅效果,對象並不是人。但係可能自己溝通能力,用字從小缺乏好榜樣去學,所以往往畀聽者誤會我係針對人。我係度唸點解會對我誤解嘅?可能通常D人尋根究底都係針對人來指責,或者辯護唔係自己錯,就將我嘅阿保納入一般人而論。所以就自然對我有此誤會。妳真好嘢!能將我哋阿保嘅動機分別開來。我佩服!

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小菜豆    發表於 20-4-28 09:17
Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own  ~ H. Jackson Brown


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本帖最後由 pnylw 於 20-4-27 23:58 編輯

我份人比較敏感,有少少唔make sense 就諗好多點解佢會咁做et ...

"對外人既敏感度同直覺差左好多,跟住情緒低落"- 即係覺得自己同其他正常人越來越有距離?或者旁人覺得妳越來越欠缺溝通默契或認同,冇以前咁funny?
我試過最難受孤獨感係2月疫情爆得好勁我搵唔到口罩,同事share訂購口罩資訊冇預我,仲笑我佛系,乜都唔識諗唔到唔自救,因為我以前同佢哋好friend,同佢哋呻c6騎呢野,果陣又諗起以前教會班8婆閨密,如果仲同佢哋一齊,一定所有野都一早預我份,分享疫情同口罩,同事都唔會當我異類笑我。自從選擇價值觀傾向c6,例如佢迫我準時返工,呢啲正值行為影響我係公司同同事有距離,連帶冇再同同事一齊同流合污係公司趁老板不在叫早餐,我知道人際關係好似亞保咁脫節。面對呢份失落,我調整咗心態,親身感受到c6人際關係挫折,令自己明白體諒另一半係好事。一般人唔認同嘅野唔代表係錯,即使當時發生社會運動搞罷工,C6都要我
準時返工,雖然失去人際關係,但又幫我賺咗老板對我改觀同信任。而家覺得自己真正清醒,彼悔以往不知不覺跟隨大眾, 做出嘲笑或杯葛行為係何等無知及醜陋。對社會亳無幫肋。

同一般人一齊係同聲同氣, 但只能看相同LEVEL嘅野, 目光放係自身同眼前,
亞保mind set同一般人唔一樣, 可以引導我地平常人唔同level同遠一d嘅野。
好多事情, 時間會證明亞保理性思考係啱。大事上佢地係問題解決者,
生活上係麻煩製造者, 亦欠缺情感。妳再比d時間自己同c6吧。


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pnylw 發表於 20-4-27 23:52
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我份人比較敏感,有少少唔make sense 就諗好多點解佢會咁做et ...
Yes, 而家呢一代嘅小阿保好多得到大人嘅勇敢正視,對症落藥。
Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own  ~ H. Jackson Brown


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小菜豆 發表於 20-4-28 08:25
"對外人既敏感度同直覺差左好多,跟住情緒低落"- 即係覺得自己同其他正常人越來越有距離?或者旁人覺得妳越 ...

我都話我懷疑我前夫都係阿保啦。而且比我更甚。而家睇到妳呢個分享,就係我前夫。我成日用「不為五斗米而折腰」,「視錢財如糞土」,「剛剛直直,終須乞食」來形容佢嘅工作運。佢嘅專長係藝術家(文仕),靠把口好需要人際關係來企得住嘅,因為工作成果係憑人嘅主觀。唔同我嘅專長,武士,人哋唔需要我埋堆,總之人哋一有起災難,我定會拔刀同佢哋消災解難,變咗英雄。

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小菜豆    發表於 20-4-28 09:08
Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own  ~ H. Jackson Brown

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