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侯爵府

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1001#
發表於 08-10-20 16:42 |只看該作者
你又可以諗下和富, 城市花園之類, 向海單位都算開陽. 不過買樓都好個人, 我鍾意方便d地方, 尤其有小朋友.

當前買樓, 應該用所謂成交價x90% 作底線, 因保守估計至少跌多15%(出年中).

之前(9月中)我估出年初樓市會比高位跌20%, 點知提早左達標.

今次危機真係好得人驚, 連制造業都影響到, 深圳, 東浣, 惠州好多廠都唔掂(我呀哥間廠都可能會執, 佢間公司都成六,七年), d 單真係好少.
香港d樓價又點會好.


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1002#
發表於 08-10-20 17:13 |只看該作者
原文章由 km1357 於 08-10-20 16:42 發表
你又可以諗下和富, 城市花園之類, 向海單位都算開陽. 不過買樓都好個人, 我鍾意方便d地方, 尤其有小朋友.

當前買樓, 應該用所謂成交價x90% 作底線, 因保守估計至少跌多15%(出年中).

之前(9月中)我估出年初樓市會比 ...


連鎖反應, 我有朋友話我知, 話佢既 friend 係做 personnel agent 架, 佢既 major a/c 係 lehman, 佢比人炒左, 佢老細同日炒左 5 個人...

我諗來緊有好多行業會加入炒人... 真係好驚...! 而家只係希望唔會再有當年 97' 咁, d 人諗唔開, 自尋短見...! 真係好唔想見倒.


侯爵府

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1003#
發表於 08-10-20 17:15 |只看該作者
It depends on how much rent you pay now.
For example, if you pay 25k per month, then for the coming 2 years, you pay already 600k i.e. 0.6M
If you bought a flat in 6M now. Do you think the price will drop 10% more or not? If yes, then rent a flat. If you don't think so, then buy it now.
P.S. I hate move again and again, esp. when you have kids.


原文章由 Ruby1219 於 08-10-20 16:09 發表
Hi km1357,

Thank you for your advice. But I personally don't like Taikooshing. It's too crowded. Also, it's too far away from my son's school (The Peak) and my husband's ofice (Cyber Port). North Po ...


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1004#
發表於 08-10-20 18:25 |只看該作者
原文章由 ac321 於 08-10-20 17:15 發表
It depends on how much rent you pay now.
For example, if you pay 25k per month, then for the coming 2 years, you pay already 600k i.e. 0.6M
If you bought a flat in 6M now. Do you think the price will ...


Maybe we could put it that way. For a flat worth $6M, we have to pay interest for using the flat (70% mortgage + 30% downpayment (opportunity cost for giving up interest income generated from time deposit). To simply the situation, we assume the interest rate to be 3.25%. What the interest payment for the flat is $6M x 3.25%, i.e. $195K p.a.. Two-year mean $390K interest payment . In such case, we may compare $390K interest payment vs $600K rental expenses. The difference turns to be much smaller as $210K, which denotes as 3.5% of the prevailing flat price. Do you think the flat price will drop more or less than 3.5% in 2-year time? Moreover, we can save rates, land tax and management fee if we rent a flat.

I don't know whether my concept is correct or not, but it's just my personal opinion.


男爵府

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1005#
發表於 08-10-20 18:40 |只看該作者

回覆 #1 陌生人 的文章

I'm very bad at math, so I can't commen on the figures. But I think one critical difference is owning a flat means you can sell it one day, while you have nothing left after paying the rent.

Am I correct ?

Ruby


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1006#
發表於 08-10-20 18:52 |只看該作者
and you know when you will finish the mortgage! (have a hope ........ even far away)
Therefore, if the rent is almost the same as the mortgage, I will buy a flat (not rent). And you will have the feeling of 'HOME' !


原文章由 Ruby1219 於 08-10-20 18:40 發表
I'm very bad at math, so I can't commen on the figures. But I think one critical difference is owning a flat means you can sell it one day, while you have nothing left after paying the rent.

Am I co ...


別墅

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1007#
發表於 08-10-20 21:02 |只看該作者
this year at least more 15-20% drop,
and year 2009 also about 30% drop ?

Who like to buy properties, NOW IS WRONG TIME

if really need it, pls check mortage loans and pre-approval first. Comming year the life difficult.


大宅

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1008#
發表於 08-10-20 21:44 |只看該作者
今日在網上到各間銀行按揭優惠
http://www.vhouse.com.hk/Mortgage/main.html


伯爵府

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1009#
發表於 08-10-20 22:05 |只看該作者
Honestly, your property agent shall offer you advise on the property price...he is supposed to be an expert in the property industry and have first hand info. on market trend. So, ask him for whatever questions you have in mind. That's simple and straight forward. Remember, you will be paying him comission for the professional views in return. He will act on your behalf to negotiate for a good price....

Before buying a flat, make reference to the most recent transaction cases. It provides a very balanced judement on whether the selling price of the flat you are going to buy is at par the prevailing market pric.

It is irrelevant to make reference to the selling prices in the good old days e.g. 97 as some people have asked. Actual market price is an outcome of demand vs supply at times of buying.



原文章由 Ruby1219 於 08-10-19 23:31 發表
Dear all,

I had just identified a 9xx sq ft (3 rooms, 2 toilet) flat in North Point mid levels. The owner 'opened the price' at 6.8mil, however, a same unit flat 13 floors upper was just sold at 6mi ...


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1010#
發表於 08-10-20 22:10 |只看該作者
原文章由 cowkingb 於 08-10-20 17:13 發表

連鎖反應, 我有朋友話我知, 話佢既 friend 係做 personnel agent 架, 佢既 major a/c 係 lehman, 佢比人炒左, 佢老細同日炒左 5 個人...

我諗來緊有好多行業會加入炒人... 真係好驚...! 而家只係希望唔會再有當 ...


我都經歷過87股災,64, 97, 911, SARS, 都未有驚既感覺, 不過唔係講笑,今次我真係有種恐怖FEEL, .


伯爵府

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1011#
發表於 08-10-20 22:30 |只看該作者
我只經歷過97, SARS...(因為8x年)我仲係中學生....
同你一樣, 我真係感到打到黎啦, 其實, 個浪仲有幾個月至到香港, 已經受唔住外圍既破壞力啦, 奇怪點解咁多人仲好鬆懈, 未知嚴重性, 重問好唔好買樓....租緊既, 亳無疑問, 繼續租住先...以不變應萬變乃上策...

好恐佈啊....資金不斷流失, 今日Standard有篇article好野, 解釋15trillion蒸發左去邊...咪香港市民di血汗錢(存款)囉...我地未同一時間去提錢咋, 如果人人都用下腦, CE講既金融體制, 都未必撐得住嫁......

我唔算灰...尋日中午同舊同學食午飯, 佢年紀輕輕已是某外資銀行董事, 佢同我講, 手頭上有好多有錢既投資客戶, 狂賣樓, 變賣資產揸CASH.....做生意既,係咁賣原材料, ...無他, 打算接埋囉.....換左cash先.....碰啱放工時, 睇番施老板今日既article, 講法同朋友既一模一樣, 也跟我既睇法一致.....所以, 空穴來風, 未必無因...

當然, 唔排除好多人好樂觀, 都係好事, 最緊要, 預左經濟最差時, 自己唔好乃野就得啦...





原文章由 km1357 於 08-10-20 22:10 發表


我都經歷過87股災,64, 97, 911, SARS, 都未有驚既感覺, 不過唔係講笑,今次我真係有種恐怖FEEL, .

[ 本文章最後由 cheapbombom 於 08-10-20 22:31 編輯 ]


男爵府

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1012#
發表於 08-10-20 23:34 |只看該作者

回覆 #3 cheapbombom 的文章

i don't think i would trust the property agent. surely they get commission from you, but on the other hand they are getting commission from the seller too. And nowadays to the agents, their primary objective is to close deal. for sure they will tell you it's time to buy and the price (the price that the seller offer, or the lowest price that they can bargain) is already a very good deal.

But thank you for your sharing.

Ruby


大宅

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1013#
發表於 08-10-21 09:34 |只看該作者
ruby1219,
我覺得agent 只想成交, 兩邊說好話
除非你同佢否則佢地的意見只可作參考
最近要係自己的預算

你可以用網上的免費秒物業估價 & 近期附近的物業成交 (可去中原網search), 睇下個單位開價是否合理, 再還價多d, 如20% off

如果屋主急賣, 自然會減價
我朋友的親戚上wk 買了美孚1 間8xxx呎單位, 之前屋主叫價 298萬, agent 叫佢還價, 佢話如果係 269萬便即買, 仲開定張票

點知屋主立即成交
我唔知果區的樓價, 不過佢地話算好抵wor


公爵府

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1014#
發表於 08-10-21 10:07 |只看該作者
我覺得咩野時候係最穩陣,就係當人人或大部份人都認為入市的人係匪疑所思的時候;咁咩野時候係最危險的時候?就係當人人或大部份人都認為做咩你咁蠢唔入市的時候。這個理論是可以apply係唔同既投資項目的。

在網上的討論區,在某程度上是一個社會的縮影,在這裡所見,打算入市的人比唔打算入市的人之比,大約係40:60﹝只是感覺,沒有科學數據支持﹞。以這個現像,我個人認為,而家入市未必係最低,不過亦都不會係太高。

其實人生不是計條數咁簡單,有很多不同的東西要考慮。如果單單以供樓的利息和租金支出既方法就決定買好定租好,似乎未夠全面。一如以住,我仍然buy個樓市的,長遠個樓市會向上的。但入市的原則是睇自己的能力,而唔係睇個市升跌,市升市跌是講價的籌碼。如果一定要選,我會覺得市亂買樓係好一點!因為真係有人好驚,驚到不理性地落價,咁就可以有平貨。這是升市時買家沒有的優勢,唔知大家有無試過你越同個賣家講價,佢越唔理你,如果你再講佢加你價添,我上年換樓時就試過。升市時買家無限地憧境美好的將來,跌市時賣家無限地担心低處未算低。這就是人性。
我知有好多人好喜愛睇個價去做人,特別係炒家,無錯佢地可以有眼光獨到時,可以賺好多好多的錢,但如果只得眼光獨到,而沒有量力而為,到最後身家只是大上大落,成為過眼雲煙。
一個踏實的小市民,要的是安居樂業,大把事要做,大把事要照顧、要費心,如果還要理埋幾時先係最低價先好入市,買間屋自己住,真係人都癲!
最後都係那句,最緊要計清自己的能力,市況咁差,就要考慮埋萬一無入息要點做。如果所有壞情況都考慮過,就入市囉!邊諗得咁多。


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1015#
發表於 08-10-21 10:31 |只看該作者
原文章由 ume 於 08-10-21 10:07 發表
我覺得咩野時候係最穩陣,就係當人人或大部份人都認為入市的人係匪疑所思的時候;咁咩野時候係最危險的時候?就係當人人或大部份人都認為做咩你咁蠢唔入市的時候。這個理論是可以apply係唔同既投資項目的。

在網上的討論 ...


好鍾意及認同你第一段所講嘅野 ...


侯爵府

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1016#
發表於 08-10-21 10:41 |只看該作者
原文章由 ume 於 08-10-21 10:07 發表
我覺得咩野時候係最穩陣,就係當人人或大部份人都認為入市的人係匪疑所思的時候;咁咩野時候係最危險的時候?就係當人人或大部份人都認為做咩你咁蠢唔入市的時候。這個理論是可以apply係唔同既投資項目的。

在網上的討論 ...


agree!!
其實都係果句, 自己有能力, 又鍾意間屋, 家下買亦ok, 可以買貴, 但唔好買錯.
打工最擔心既係無左份工. 樓價跌咪當洗多左. 我都係舊年入市, 家下都算住得好安樂, 都諗過層樓會跌破我入市價, 咁又如何. 如果利息唔加其實供緊樓人士一d影響都無, 不過d 抄家就慘d...


侯爵府

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1017#
發表於 08-10-21 10:49 |只看該作者
agree!
If it drops to the price of last year (Feb/March), I will buy one for let. It is because
1) I believed that the 樓 will rises for long peroid (10 years +)
2) the interest rate will keep low for some years.




原文章由 km1357 於 08-10-21 10:41 發表


agree!!
其實都係果句, 自己有能力, 又鍾意間屋, 家下買亦ok, 可以買貴, 但唔好買錯.
打工最擔心既係無左份工. 樓價跌咪當洗多左. 我都係舊年入市, 家下都算住得好安樂, 都諗過層樓會跌破我入市價, 咁又如何. 如 ...


公爵府

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1018#
發表於 08-10-21 10:56 |只看該作者
原文章由 km1357 於 08-10-21 10:41 發表


agree!!
其實都係果句, 自己有能力, 又鍾意間屋, 家下買亦ok, 可以買貴, 但唔好買錯.
打工最擔心既係無左份工. 樓價跌咪當洗多左. 我都係舊年入市, 家下都算住得好安樂, 都諗過層樓會跌破我入市價, 咁又如何. 如 ...


炒家自己要承受風險,無話慘唔慘。

我都係舊年換咗間貴D既,都有諗過唔知幾時會跌低過我買入的價。不過我而家每月供樓既錢平過在同一個屋苑同一類單住既租金1/3。這一年睇住層樓升到癲咗,又睇住層樓跌返落黎,但咁又點,我都唔知住得幾舒服。而家我地既能力未能買多間好質素既樓來收租,如果個市真係跌到我既能力能支持得到的時候,我應該會努力說服c6買多間收租。

[ 本文章最後由 ume 於 08-10-21 13:35 編輯 ]


侯爵府

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1019#
發表於 08-10-21 11:03 |只看該作者
hope you can =>如果個市真係跌到我既能力能支持得到的時候,我應該會努說服c6買多間收租

原文章由 ume 於 08-10-21 10:56 發表


炒家自己要成受風險,無話慘唔慘。

我都係舊年換咗間貴D既,都有諗過唔知幾時會跌低過我買入的價。不過我而家每月供樓既錢平過在同一個屋苑同一類單住既租金1/3。這一年睇住層樓升到癲咗,又睇住層樓跌返落黎,但咁又點,我 ...


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1020#
發表於 08-10-21 11:38 |只看該作者
原文章由 ume 於 08-10-21 10:07 發表
我覺得咩野時候係最穩陣,就係當人人或大部份人都認為入市的人係匪疑所思的時候;咁咩野時候係最危險的時候?就係當人人或大部份人都認為做咩你咁蠢唔入市的時候。這個理論是可以apply係唔同既投資項目的。

在網上的討論 ...



網上的討論區,在某程度上是一個社會的縮影, 絕對同意. 買樓既人就會講到個市有幾差, 希望大跌然後入貨. 賣樓既人就希望個市升, 可以賺一筆.

人人都想買平貨, 人人都想賣貴貨. 買樓真係最緊要睇自己既資金. 相反我希望個市好, 起碼失業率降番, 人人有工開, 唔駛擔心一旦失業會面臨生活困難, 個人都開心d健康d. 個市有幾平都好, 比你入到場, 但你一但失業咪又係一個問題. 當樓市升既時侯咪一樣咁多人買樓, 交投仲活躍. 想賣樓既人唔駛擔心, 只要你唔係天價, 一定會搵到買家. 想買樓人亦唔駛擔心, 只要係市價, 自己住得舒服, 我就覺得係值. 買賣既野一定有上有落, 正所謂高處未算高, 低處亦未算低. 大家都只係普通人, 大家都唔會知將來係點, 倒不如大家樂觀點面對. best wishes!

[ 本文章最後由 ahshan 於 08-10-21 11:40 編輯 ]

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