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明仔老竇,
Congratulation! Now you need to be more consciouos as he can go anywhere without your knowing..hehe..
Are you giving him fresh milk? Or he is completely not taking any milk?
My daughter is 5yrs and she still drinks fresh milk every night.
Are you going with your wife? Does she like HK? For your son, be careful as it may be too hot during summer time and are you planning to show your wife all the attractions? If yes, it is better have someone to look after your son as it is very hard to travel with infant in HK. Bring a very small and easy foldable stroller is strongly recommend.
Regarding your son's application, I think 1 month is not enough for the process and you may need to come back next year in order to finish.

Just curious how many annual leave do French usually get? 1month?

原文章由 明仔老竇 於 08-4-5 06:46 AM 發表
你哋近排點呀？

明仔而家差唔多一歲零一個月大，卒之行出佢人生第一步喇！佢上月尾識行喇！

另外佢都卒之戒甩奶:-P ！

我哋三人行今年八月中到九日中返香港一個月，見吓屋企人同等佢適應吓香港生活:D 。 ...

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原文章由 xother 於 08-4-5 12:26 發表
Are you giving him fresh milk? Or he is completely not taking any milk?

查實我講嘅戒甩奶係指母乳。明仔早餐有飲鲜牛奶同食奶類食品，例九白芝士:lol: 。

原文章由 xother 於 08-4-5 12:26 發表
Are you going with your wife? Does she like HK? For your son, be careful as it may be too hot during summer time and are you planning to show your wife all the attractions? If yes, it is better have someone to look after your son as it is very hard to travel with infant in HK. Bring a very small and easy foldable stroller is strongly recommend.

兩公婆＋明仔三人行。我老婆好鍾意香港㗎，以前喺大陸做嘢時時落香港行山

。
我哋諗住白己照顧明仔，預咗辛苦㗎喇

！

原文章由 xother 於 08-4-5 12:26 發表
Regarding your son's application, I think 1 month is not enough for the process and you may need to come back next year in order to finish.

我哋都有打算若果時間，經濟許可嘅話多啲返香港:-P 。

原文章由 xother 於 08-4-5 12:26 發表[quote]原文章由 xother 於 08-4-5 12:26 發表

Just curious how many annual leave do French usually get? 1month?

法國法定假係每年五個星期。有啲公司夏天硬性要放三個星期。我哋其實放四個星期:) 。

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明仔老竇,
You are so lucky to have 5 weeks annual leave! In Canada, I only get 10days, so it is worse than in HK...but my husband has 1month as he works for semi-govt company.

I heard that French companies offer very good benefit to employees, can you tell me more? How about maternity leave? In Canada, we have 1 yr off with paid as it is compulsory to take out 6% of our salary to pay employment insurance.

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I guess all daddies and mommies are very young here and let me share my stories about learning Chinese.
My daughter is 5.5yrs old now and she borned in HK. When she was young, I speak Chinese to her while daddy speaks English. We migrate to Canada when she was 10mths old and I put her in daycare when she was 14mths old. The daycare is run by a Chinese lady who speak Mandarin and Cantonese. When she was 1.5yrs old, she barely spoke any words and we were getting nervous about her and took her to see language therapist. The therapist said it is because she was confused by 2 languages.....At that time we were very deperate and didnt want to take any risks, so I switched to fully English....however, her situation didnt improve much. I guess the daycare also cause some problems for my daughter. Anyway, we changed to different daycare when she was 2.5yrs old and it is full English. From then, she picks up words and started to talk more. At 4yrs old, I put her in Chinese class but she didnt understand anything in the class as the teacher insists to speak maximum Chinese. I took her out after first semester, but keep testing her if she wants to learn Chinese. As per the teacher suggests, I let her repeat the same class again but it seems didnt go well. After 6mths break and visited HK, she seems very interests to learn Chinese and I put her in different Chinese school. She loves it very much and now she seems pick up very well as she said the teacher speaks English to her. She learnt Chinese through her writing and she even asked me to help her to finish her Chinese homework which was suppose for last semester when she was in different school. Anyway, she has 3 dictation so far and she has very good result and last time even got full mark. The teacher even comments she wrote very beautiful Chinese. I am very happy to see her to pick up so much Chinese and feel quilty that I dont spend too much time to speak Chinese. She has asked me few times to speak more Chinese with her but whenever I said something, she will ask : What do you say? Then I switch to English and move on. I have married for 9yrs and lived in Canada for 4yrs, getting used to speak English and it is very hard to speak Chinese. I dont mean I dont speak Chinese in daily basic, but just too lazy to repeat the instruction.

From 明仔老竇 and his wife, I think it is not hard to pick up a second language if you try hard. Besides, I want my daughter to be strong in one languages first and move on to another. Now she is fluent in English and she can easily get friends from school compare to those kids are not native in English. My neighour has a 4yrs old daughter. She brought up in 3 languages, Japenese with mommy, English with daddy and Cantonese with granny. She has spent more time with mommy, then granny and daddy as granny only takes care of her when mommy has appointments. Anyway, till now I barely understand what she is saying as she always mix with Japanese words.

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原文章由 xother 於 08-4-6 15:01 發表
I heard that French companies offer very good benefit to employees, can you tell me more?

福利好唔好見人見智﹐因為福利好意味重稅 ﹕ 法國打工每月先扣20%﹐平時購物附加稅~5%...
福利 ﹕ 失業金﹐ 年假(5星期)﹐ 醫療等好多國家都有...

原文章由 xother 於 08-4-6 15:01 發表
How about maternity leave? In Canada, we have 1 yr off with paid as it is compulsory to take out 6% of our salary to pay employment insurance.

產假3月﹐老竇假3星期(paternal leave)...

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發表於 08-4-11 01:29 |只看該作者

回覆 #2 xother 的文章

thanks for sharing. 我好耐之前都聽過講 bilingual 即係代表兩種語言都唔好, 當然有例外, 但始終學語言唔可以急. 我老公係中學時至學英文, 佢勁過我地好多由3歲開始學英文既香港人. 不過我話可以慢慢黎學就易, 做就難.... 我都想我個仔學好中文, 至少同我阿媽傾到計. 而家我阿媽成日照顧佢, 又咁錫佢, 如果 bb 第日移左民, 唔識同我阿媽溝通又唔認得佢, 我會好心痛.

明仔老竇, 明仔識得行, 你地會更加忙呀!!! 正如 xother 咁講, 你地返黎時真係要小心天氣, 呢度照熱又侷, 明仔和你太太未必咁快習慣. 我老公 5月黎香港, 出街都差 d 中暑, 話晒歐洲都係成日涼浸浸.

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Hello bosch,
It appears that you and I are in a very similar situation where our husbands and us have different mother tongues and we communicate with them in English most of the time.
My families (from HK & Spain) speak their own mother tongues only. In order to be fair to both families my BB has to master 3 languages ~ God knows how he is going to cope with it...
For now, I speak to him in Chinese, English & Spanish while my husband speaks English & Spanish and sings Spanish nurseries to him all the time hoping he gets used to the sounds as early as possible. I do worry he will get confused. What strategies are you using to train up your BB's language skills?

原文章由 bosch 於 08-4-11 01:29 發表
thanks for sharing. 我好耐之前都聽過講 bilingual 即係代表兩種語言都唔好, 當然有例外, 但始終學語言唔可以急. 我老公係中學時至學英文, 佢勁過我地好多由3歲開始學英文既香港人. 不過我話可以慢慢黎學就易, ...

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明仔老竇,
Compare to Canada, you are much better situation. My salary is about 25% less and the higher salary, the more will be taken out.
Sales tax is 12% on everything except food.
The only good thing is maternity leave is 1yr and can share between spouse.

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發表於 08-4-11 14:39 |只看該作者

almaly,

I think all of us here are having different mother tongue as that's why we categorise "mixed blood".

Bosch,
It is easier to pick up English if he speaks other Europen languages. It is similar for us to pick up Japanese compare to Gwailo. Yes talent is important but it also helps if kids start from early age. One more thing I would like to share with you guys. My daughter's classmate who born in Canada and can speak fluent Cantonese when he was about 2yr(bought up with grandma who speaks Cantonese), then switch to Mandarin as he reunited with daddy(mainlander), now he forgot Cantonese and very weak in English. He cannot make friends and serious need help for his English. He has a long way to go as all other kids has started to read books by themselves.

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xother,
Yes, we are all mixed here. My concern/worry is that my BB will actually need to use his third language (i.e. English) most often here as we live in the UK. It might be difficult for him to keep his mother tongues as he will only use them with his mom & dad at home (and a few times when families in HK & Spain are visiting). Bilingual is difficult and trilingual would be even more complicated!
By the way, speaking a european language doesn't necessarily make picking up English easier, depending on what their mother tongues is. It is easier for a German or Dutch speaker to pick up English (and many of my colleagues are in this case). Spanish, Portugese, French & Italian can understand each other pretty well. My Spanish cousins do find English not as easy to learn as compared to French & Italian!

原文章由 xother 於 08-4-11 14:39 發表
almaly,

I think all of us here are having different mother tongue as that's why we categorise "mixed blood".

Bosch,
It is easier to pick up English if he speaks other Europen languages. It is simil ...

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原文章由 xother 於 08-4-6 15:37 發表
...Anyway, she has 3 dictation so far and she has very good result and last time even got full mark. The teacher even comments she wrote very beautiful Chinese. I am very happy to see her to pick up so much Chinese and feel quilty that I dont spend too much time to speak Chinese. She has asked me few times to speak more Chinese with her but whenever I said something, she will ask : What do you say? Then I switch to English and move on. I have married for 9yrs and lived in Canada for 4yrs, getting used to speak English and it is very hard to speak Chinese. I dont mean I dont speak Chinese in daily basic, but just too lazy to repeat the instruction.

"家家有本難唸嘅經！"
好開心妳個女而家對中文多啲興趣。

我哋都知雙語家庭嘅挑戰，所以我哋採用一人一母語政策，唔將中法溝埋一齊。而我哋一齊時會講廣東話。我哋嘅諗法係法文佢會自自然然喺亞媽同學校度學識。中文喺外國係弱勢語言。

原文章由 bosch 於 08-4-11 01:29 發表
正如 xother 咁講, 你地返黎時真係要小心天氣, 呢度照熱又侷, 明仔和你太太未必咁快習慣.

Xother, Bosch:
多謝關心，我哋喺香港時會特別小心天氣㗎喇！

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almaly,
If you can insist and act tough, then you child can sure pick up the language you spoke. But how tough you can be? I gave up when she was about 1.5yr old. Just like my neighour, the child can monitor Japanese, Cantonese and English at age 4. The only problem is she mixed 3 languages in one sentence.

Yes, Europe includes many countries but since all European languages are formed by alphabet, so it is easier to compare to Chinese and English. I think the best way is to spoke one languages at home and for sure the kids can pick it up. My ex-landlord's daughter was brought up in Canada and since parent both from HK, they can fully understand Cantonese, but between sisters, they switch to English.

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明仔老竇
I just keep my fingers cross as I am not sure how long her interest in Chinese will last.
You may be in better position as your wife can speak Cantonese! Just wonder if it is easy to find a Chinese school in your area? If not, are you going to teach him writing?

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回覆 #7 almaly 的文章

almaly, 我仲未有 plan 點去教, 仲未同老公講到呢樣野.... bb而家至 1.5個月大, 半年之後可能會去荷蘭住, 所以真係要教都係過左去荷蘭之後既事.

我諗都係以荷蘭文為主, 果度淨係得我一個, 連中文電視都冇得睇, 佢唔學好都唔得, 我分分鐘要佢教番我.

中文一定要佢識, 不過得我一個同佢講中文, 都唔知佢會學成點... 至於英文, 或者遲下至學, 就算我唔教佢, 學校都會教, 我反而冇咁擔心.

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原文章由 xother 於 08-4-12 13:01 發表
明仔老竇
I just keep my fingers cross as I am not sure how long her interest in Chinese will last....Just wonder if it is easy to find a Chinese school in your area? If not, are you going to teach him writing?

興趣要培養﹐ 搵啲得意嘅嘢啟發佢中文興趣。
教中文會係我哋最大嘅挑戰﹗

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原文章由 bosch 於 08-4-15 09:47 發表
我諗都係以荷蘭文為主, 果度淨係得我一個, 連中文電視都冇得睇, 佢唔學好都唔得, 我分分鐘要佢教番我. 中文一定要佢識, 不過得我一個同佢講中文, 都唔知佢會學成點... 至於英文, 或者遲下至學, 就算我唔教佢, 學校都會教, 我反而冇咁擔心.

歐洲有無線衛星台:

http://www.chinese-channel.co.uk/

我都有裝﹗

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原文章由 明仔老竇 於 08-4-15 18:50 發表

歐洲有無線衛星台:

http://www.chinese-channel.co.uk/

我都有裝﹗

thanks!!! 我老公話有幫襯其中一間公司, 咁我過到去可以裝番啦.

我見 d 其他住荷蘭既人都有得睇中文電視, 不過冇問佢地點整. 有中文電視睇下都冇咁悶... 第日阿仔唔識講都要識聽中文.

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May be I am different from many daddies and mommies here, Chinese is not my biggest challenge. To teach them to be a better person is my challenge as I like them to have good manner as well as being kind.

No one really knows they are Chinese as they carry daddy's last name. I have no intention to install any Chinese TV as I think it is not fair to watch Chinese TV while my husband doesnt understand. Now I only watch Chinese news at night for about an hour and read newspaper online.

Understand another language is a bonus for anyone but I wont force my children.

原文章由 明仔老竇 於 08-4-15 06:46 PM 發表

興趣要培養﹐ 搵啲得意嘅嘢啟發佢中文興趣。
教中文會係我哋最大嘅挑戰﹗

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Do you communicate with you hubby in English? I think this is the difficulty ~ my hubby doesn't speak any Chinese and my Spanish is not good enough so we speak English all the time. We tried to speak as much mother tongues to him as possible but end up slipping back into English without realising it...The baby will pick up English easily from hearing us, so...not sure how much Spanish and Chinese he can pick up. He will perhaps end up knowing some vocabs only...unless he has a real talent for languages.

原文章由 bosch 於 08-4-15 09:47 發表
almaly, 我仲未有 plan 點去教, 仲未同老公講到呢樣野.... bb而家至 1.5個月大, 半年之後可能會去荷蘭住, 所以真係要教都係過左去荷蘭之後既事.

我諗都係以荷蘭文為主, 果度淨係得我一個, 連中文電視都冇得睇, ...

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