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I tried for 2 years, started when i
was 31.5 and now 33.5 (will be
34 next month)

i did 5 iui, 2 miscarriages.
i did 1st ivf, 3rd miscarriage now.

1. 7wk--can see toi long but no
heart beat, had stomach ache
once, did operation (july 07)

2. 8wk--can see heart beat but
stopped after several days and
a little bleeding, did
operation (april, 08)

3. 5wk-- can't see anything but
bleeding and stomach ache.
bb can't survive (sept, 08)

i now have recurrent miscarriages (3 times). don't know what to do?

i still don't want to give up. will try
again 6 months later.

i saw chinese ec before and will see
her again next month. I also did
the test of karyotype and confirm
c6 and i have no hereditary disease.
c6 has problem in normal form in
sperm. i have fibroid in uterus and
little problem in ovulation.

doctors said most early miscarriages are caused by unhealthy embryo
and can't be treated.

does any bk sisters have my
problem?

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原文章由 PPyeung 於 08-9-17 13:24 發表
I tried for 2 years, started when i
was 31.5 and now 33.5 (will be
34 next month)

i did 5 iui, 2 miscarriages.
i did 1st ivf, 3rd miscarriage now.

1. 7wk--can see toi long but no
heart beat, had sto ...

Did your IVF doctor sugessted you to do blood test? As there are some blood test that you can do to see if there is any generatic problem. You may consider to see another inferitility doctor to get second opinion.

Don't worried, at least it proved you can bingo.... just a matter on how to treat your problem. add oil!!

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原文章由 bpwwp 於 08-9-17 14:44 發表

Did your IVF doctor sugessted you to do blood test? As there are some blood test that you can do to see if there is any generatic problem. You may consider to see another inferitility doctor to ge ...

i've already had blood test to check
our genetic problem. no problem.

so still don't know what test i need. maybe none.

yes. i can bingo but quality of embryo is too poor that it can't grow.

just want to share. i'm still positive
and want to try until i succeed or i
don't want to try.

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發表於 08-9-17 15:04 |只看該作者

Dear PPYeung,
I'm not a doctor and of course don't have professional opinion. But just one thing that I can think of,
Do you know if you have "immune problem" that means your immune system is too strong and reject the things that doesn't belong to your own (embryo= your egg+husband's sperm, half belongs to another person).

If you have such problem, you might be more likely to fail the implantation and miscarriage.

I know not many doctor will check this for patient and in fact, there's no such lab in HK. My doctor send my blood to US and do the test ($4000).

I'm not saying that you have such problem, that is only what I can think of. And I have mild this problem too. Another thing is the DNA problem of egg or sperm. I don't have much infomation about that but you can ask your doctor's opinion. (my doctor is Milton Leong)

hope this helps.

steplovebb

原文章由 PPyeung 於 08-9-17 14:24 發表
I tried for 2 years, started when i
was 31.5 and now 33.5 (will be
34 next month)

i did 5 iui, 2 miscarriages.
i did 1st ivf, 3rd miscarriage now.

1. 7wk--can see toi long but no
heart beat, had sto ...

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原文章由 steplovebb 於 08-9-17 15:04 發表
Dear PPYeung,
I'm not a doctor and of course don't have professional opinion. But just one thing that I can think of,
Do you know if you have "immune problem" that means your immune system is too str ...

thanks for your advice.

Is Milton Leung the doctor in
Sanatorium? Leung ka hong?
I think I may need advice from other doctors 'cos the doctors i saw before (quite famous) said most miscarriages are caused by chromosome problem but I think recurrent miscarriages may have many reasons.

do you have my problem and treated by dr. leung successfully?

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原文章由 steplovebb 於 08-9-17 15:04 發表
Dear PPYeung,
I'm not a doctor and of course don't have professional opinion. But just one thing that I can think of,
Do you know if you have "immune problem" that means your immune system is too str ...

i searched info. from the web and know most recurrent miscarriages are caused by immune system and internal body problem such as lack of
progesterone.

so i can't just wait and try blindly.

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ppyeung
sorry to hear that, hopefully, u a still positive. you have a dream to have a baby and this dream must be come true. dont push yourself so much, just rest and wait recovery

god bless u

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原文章由 卡樂B薯片 於 08-9-17 18:58 發表
ppyeung
sorry to hear that, hopefully, u a still positive. you have a dream to have a baby and this dream must be come true. dont push yourself so much, just rest and wait recovery

god bless u

thanks.
just want to get more info. and
don't waste time lah.

i'll be 34 next month.

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Dear PPyeung,

I agree with steplovebb about the immune problem. I also communicate in the U.S. chat room to see that some women do suffer from immune problem. I also see Dr. Milton Leong and had my immune problems checked. I have some immune problems.

The treatment for immune problems is using heparin, steriod, and aspirin. If you have a natural killer cells (NK cell) problems, Dexamethosone (steriod) is better. If you have other immune problem, then prenisolone is better. Even though women without a clear immune problems, doctors in the UK, Australia, and the U.S. still use these medication to reduce the chance of miscarriages.

If you do not have genetic problems and you are young, then the embryos cannot be too bad. If your embryos can grow to 8-cells and without much fragmentation, then the quality is quite good. Do you know whether they have 8 cells and what about the fragmentation?

I read a case in the U.S. chat room about a nurse who had like 14 miscarriages. Finally her immune problems were identified and treated accordingly. Then she got pregnant.

Please check your immune problems before you do more IVF.

I think you do not need operation this time since it is quite early in your pregnancy?

Take are of yourself.

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Hi Frisbe and Steplovebb

I also miscarriage twice in the past two years. Doctor asked me to check anti-Cardiolipin (blood is also sent to the US). Is it the test you refer to check about the immune problem?
On the other hand, my doctor didn't ask me to check chromosome or hormones. I'm thinking if I need to ask my doctor to check it or it's better to find another one.

PPyeung,
I don't know much about ivf, but didn't the doctor grade your egg before the treatment? So it should not be the problem of the egg quality. Right?
Take care. Wish you recover soon.

原文章由 Frisbe 於 08-9-17 19:34 發表
Dear PPyeung,

I agree with steplovebb about the immune problem. I also communicate in the U.S. chat room to see that some women do suffer from immune problem. I also see Dr. Milton Leong and had my ...

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Dear PPYeung

yes, Leung Ka Hong
you can phone his clinic for appointment 25233007 (Central building)

the immune system test should be around 4000
his consultation fee 1500
U/S 1000

just let me know if you need more information

as Frisbe mentioned, there's medication that can treat this problem. We take this 2-3days before ET until check bingo

steplovebb

原文章由 PPyeung 於 08-9-17 17:31 發表

thanks for your advice.

Is Milton Leung the doctor in
Sanatorium? Leung ka hong?
I think I may need advice from other doctors 'cos the doctors i saw before (quite famous) said most miscarriages are ...

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Dear JoJo

I think your test is similar to mine as I also found the items "Cardiolipin Antoantibodies" in my test report

Mine also has "Natural Killer cell quantitation" "Anti-nuclear antibodies" "Anti ds-DNA"...

原文章由 JoJo2007 於 08-9-17 21:58 發表
Hi Frisbe and Steplovebb

I also miscarriage twice in the past two years. Doctor asked me to check anti-Cardiolipin (blood is also sent to the US). Is it the test you refer to check about the immune p ...

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Dear JoJo2007,

The immune tests are very comprehensive. It includes more than the one you mentioned. It also include the blood clot problem. Blood clot problems can be treated with aspirin and heparin.

You should also check the N-K cell. It seems to me from reading the U.S. chat room, quite a number of women have that problem. If you have Natural Killer cells problem, it almost guarantees miscarriages because your body will reject/attack the embryos.

How many weeks of pregnancy when you had your miscarriages? If the fetus developed enough, you should do chromosome testing when you terminated the pregnancy. If the pregnancy is caused by abnormal chromosome, then the embryo will abort itself. But if the chromosome is normal, then the miscarriage can be caused by immune problem or other problems.

Hope this is helpful.

Frisbe

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原文章由 Frisbe 於 08-9-17 23:49 發表
Dear JoJo2007,

The immune tests are very comprehensive. It includes more than the one you mentioned. It also include the blood clot problem. Blood clot problems can be treated with aspirin and hepari ...

Frisbe,

你好嗎? 好耐冇見你既posting. 好掛住你呀.
你近況如何呢? 做緊treatment, 休息緊,定bingo在呀?

Looking forward to hearing from you soon.

ruby

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原文章由 Frisbe 於 08-9-17 19:34 發表
Dear PPyeung,

I agree with steplovebb about the immune problem. I also communicate in the U.S. chat room to see that some women do suffer from immune problem. I also see Dr. Milton Leong and had my ...

I saw the dr. in QM this morning and he said nothing can be done. I've
checked the karyotype already and
no problem. he said i can only try
and try. so terrible.

i asked him if i need to check immune system and if i lack progesterone. he said i don't need those tests.

i wonder i need other test say immune system so i think i'll see dr. leung later. i still have 5 frozen eggs in QM
so i have to do FET there later.

for quality of eggs, many doctors said i have 3 early miscarriages so it's
caused by chromosome problem
and it's a luck of draw. for 1st ivf,
doctor put 1 4-cell egg and 1 2 or 3
cell egg in my body. for the frozen
ones, 1 is 4-cell, the others are 2or 3 cell after sucking them out for 2
days. they sucked out 8 eggs. all
were fertilized and only 1 is thrown
away 'cos too many fragments. it
seems not bad. some doctors said
i may have pco or i'm a marginal
case so my eggs may be not very
high quality though i started trying
when i was 31.5.

can you bingo now? how many
weeks are you at?

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原文章由 steplovebb 於 08-9-17 23:30 發表
Dear PPYeung

yes, Leung Ka Hong
you can phone his clinic for appointment 25233007 (Central building)

the immune system test should be around 4000
his consultation fee 1500
U/S 1000

just let me kno ...

i've made an appointment with dr.
leung in Oct. for the immune system
test, does it just check my blood or
both and c6 and my blood?

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原文章由 JoJo2007 於 08-9-17 21:58 發表
Hi Frisbe and Steplovebb

I also miscarriage twice in the past two years. Doctor asked me to check anti-Cardiolipin (blood is also sent to the US). Is it the test you refer to check about the immune p ...

for ivf, doctor choose eggs with better quality and throw away the ones
with too many fragments but they
can't avoid miscarriage.

my doctor in QM asked me to
check chromosome of c6 and I
after 2 miscarriages. i think you
must check it once to find out
inherited disease of c6 and you.

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your blood only. need 7 tubes blood

remember to eat something before doing the test

原文章由 PPyeung 於 08-9-18 16:07 發表

i've made an appointment with dr.
leung in Oct. for the immune system
test, does it just check my blood or
both and c6 and my blood?

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發表於 08-9-18 23:37 |只看該作者

Dear PP Yeung

I want to know how to do chromosome test. blood test?
as I failed 4 FET, I may consider to do other test if I fail again

steplovebb

原文章由 PPyeung 於 08-9-18 16:11 發表

for ivf, doctor choose eggs with better quality and throw away the ones
with too many fragments but they
can't avoid miscarriage.

my doctor in QM asked me to
check chromosome of c6 and I
after 2 ...

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