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我見都有唔少媽咪返工, 有part time, 有full time. 雖然公司啲同事大部份都好好, 但我有時都有啲谷氣野, 想分享下, 嗔下, 同小黑講, 男人, 始終無耐性聽, 一聽就俾意見, 教你點做,但其實我只係想嗔. 怕谷壞自己. 唔知你地會唔會有類似經驗.

我既最近個案係, 有個同事係公司做左三年左右, single mom, 有父母幫手睇仔女, 係今年, 佢發現原來公司既personal time off 上限係120個鐘一年, 用唔哂仲可以roll over. 結果佢就搏哂命咁拎. 8月內拎左140個鐘, pto 係pay既time off, 公司白白蝕左三個半星期糧俾佢, 係人都睇得出, 佢係搏哂大霧, 我同佢傾,叫佢收歛下, 佢就發難咋, 話係佢既right, 又用single mom 俾撻我, 咁我大佢, 話佢舊年又唔見佢拎咁多, 佢就話舊年啲仔女無咁多事. 之後佢同佢男朋友傾, 佢好proud 佢男朋友係做management. 我估佢男友教佢, 返黎問我, 何謂pto, 佢要documentation, 白紙黑字俾個list 佢. 真係玩到好寸. 佢咁寸要白紙黑字, 咁我咪寸返佢, 我都要白紙黑字, 我叫佢用email send 佢呢個request 俾我. 之後, 我梗係俾左個波我上司同human resource 果邊搞, 我上司同HR個頭同佢照完肺之後, 無耐, 佢衰多單野(遲啲分享呢單),結果, 個大老細同佢照多鑊勁既, 同佢講如果佢唔改就走. 雖然我心都涼埋, 但如果佢賴死唔走, 又唔知佢幾時又發神經玩野.

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發表於 07-9-17 04:57 |只看該作者

Agree, sometimes, people are just too much. My company has changed the timecard record system recently and conference calls had been sent up for admins to raise questions. Some admins reported that their workers refused to take breaks and lunch, stay in the office but not really doing their works. I thought that it's normal if they have a lot of works to do and most of us want to go home on time. But, they pointed out the reason that these workers claimed OT everyday (total of breaks and lunch hour). They saved the break times for OT. Even the admins warned them that it's illegal (CA laws state 15 mins break for every 4 hour work and 30 mins lunch for 8 hour a day) and they cannot claim OT because of that, these workers ignored it and their managers usually approved the OT anyway.

Another case to share - there's an assistant of the regional manager who is the boss of the area manager who I directly working under. This woman is not my direct boss but she's my indirect supervisor since my manager report to her manager. Sometimes, she can ask me to do something for the region. In return, if I need direction and don't know how to do some of the stuff, she's supposed to be the source to help. But, in reality, she's so lazy and always pass the work to me. When someone asked her questions, she directed them to me and asked me to do it. My manager hates her too because she always rejects the expense report without reading the details and most of them, we have to resubmit it. When I was about to take maternity leave, she wanted to pass my work to another area admins. However, that admins resigned because of family issue 2 weeks before my maternity leave. And, I have to take an earlier leave because my ob said that I would deliver early. I'm so happy to leave all the things to her now and see how she can handle all those.

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Rose-mag,
嘩! 你公司咁好, break time 唔放都有得claim. 我做nonprofit, 寫明無comp time, 工作以project 為主, 有ot都無得放返或補水. 今年仲話明無薪加, 其實差唔多兩年都無加過. 有啲同事起過三年都未加過, 真係labor of love 呀!
我公司, girl scout, 果本員工handbook好多野都寫到唔清唔楚, 公司原意係想俾同事多啲flexible, 多走盞位. 但好可惜, 點都會有啲人係鐘意搏大霧, 就係因為果啲人走"法律"罅, 公司要開始收番緊, 搞到啲好同事都要犠牲.
你果個indirect supervisor咁鬼懶, 抵佢要哽哂啲野. 不過啲懶人, 佢地總係有方法推卸責, 担唔担心佢咩都唔做, 留返你返工執手尾呀?我以前喺香港時, 有個supervisor 又係超懶, 不過就係因為佢懶, 缷啲責任俾我, 無形中我學哂做supervisor 既野...正面啲睇,因禍得福, 未畢業己經有啲supervisor 經驗, 我一畢業拎左個degree 就即刻升到同佢同級, 佢都唔知幾驚呀.

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發表於 07-9-18 05:39 |只看該作者

muimui313,
Actually, no OT claim for skipping break time or lunch but it usually depends on the managers. Mostly, they won't be so strict, especially to those non-exempt grade employees. But, I think that sometimes, people just take it for granted to get more pay. Well, my company is an international bank but the pay and benefit are not too good, particularly to Asian. I found out that my pay in the same level is average lower than other White people or local Americans. I received an excellent performance comment and I was only given a 2% raise while another one only the same comment got a 6% raise. It's so unfair.
Eventually, I know that my indirect supervisor would leave some works to me after I return to work. But, since I would take my maternity leave until next year, she need to finish all those time-sensitive cases anyway.

So, my daughter got me out from the hot water earlier, I love her so much.

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發表於 07-9-18 15:26 |只看該作者

rose-mag,
其實我都有同感, 雖然我老細及高層都對我好好, 連我私生活都照顧埋, 例如, 我個baby shower 都係佢地俾我既, 但係我係近呢一年先至知道, 原來我既人工一直都比其他同事低,即使我有個master degree, 年薪係低成$5000蚊咁多, 仲低過啲懶惰同事,及無咩學歷既同事, 係直至年半之前, 佢地升我做supervisor, 我啲人工先至高番過啲同事. 所以, 我都要開始搵工跳槽.

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發表於 07-9-20 04:54 |只看該作者

Similar situation to me! My manager is a very nice guy and my direct co-workers are mostly good to me (of course, they depend on me doing a lot of things

Otherwise, they have no business cards, no supply and no way to check their payroll...) However, I have plenty of working experience in HK before and earned pretty good money. I don't want to waste it. Moreover, I was underpaid - just like your case, I was paid $5000 less than the other one in the same position and she has less experience than me. I was used to do both my and her jobs at one time and was paid only one salary. When I came back from maternity leave last time, the big boss thought that he cannot depend on only me to do all the work. He approved the requisition of one more admin but this person was paid $5000 more plus doing less work. I only got a 2% raise by doing that for over 1 year. My manager cannot help because he's not the one to decide the % of raise but the big boss. It's really disappointed so I have kept looking for a job for months. Since I was pregnant again (now in maternity leave), I would like to earn all my benefits (holidays and money) first before I go. I think that I deserve it.

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發表於 07-9-21 13:08 |只看該作者

Rose-mag,
其實真係唔抵. 我地除左有口音之外, 真係話頭醒尾架麻, 又勤力. 但又得唔到應得咁多, 其實呢個都係我唔敢搵工既原因. 我怕徙左啲時間面試, 最後啲人都唔肯請我. 不過, 夏威夷已經好多中國人, 我估情況可能好少少, 不過始終都係日本人當道.
話時話, 點解得我地兩個既? 我記得呢度都唔少返工媽咪架.

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發表於 07-9-21 17:42 |只看該作者

ok. let me join this topic la... :) Actually I didn't feel that there's big salary gap because I am not "local" American wor. But then maybe because I didn't know what other people make.

But I thought the salary may not be that significant in the software/technical field in the CA bay area? There are so many non-local people (Chinese, Indian etc) doing this type of tech job. Especially for the non-marketing non-management type of people (don't need to talk that much), I guess there may not be that much salary gap?

For my previous job, I joined the company in the cool-off dot com era (right b4 the dot com bubble burst) so my starting salary wasn't high (compare to the coworkers that joined during the peek of the dot com period). However, I suspect that - I can stay in the company after a few rounds of layoff because my salary was lower (one of the reason). So the salary gap (probably not racial but just because I joined at a later date) actually might have saved me.

I guess I was/am lucky. My boss and coworkers were/are nice. So far I don't really see any discrimination against my different racial/cultural background. My team was kinda diversed (local American, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Filipino, Indian, British, ppl from Africa, South America) .

I remember one time in my old job (tech support), a customer called in and talked to my coworker (she was from Africa and had French accent). The customer kinda complaint about the accent and wanted to talk to the manager. Anyway, we transferred that customer to another senior person (she's American) later but even the American coworker said the customer was not nice. We was making a joke internally because even our manager was not local (hispanic accent) and maybe 1/3 or half of our team are not native. hehe...

原文章由 muimui313 於 07-9-21 13:08 發表
Rose-mag,
其實真係唔抵. 我地除左有口音之外, 真係話頭醒尾架麻, 又勤力. 但又得唔到應得咁多, 其實呢個都係我唔敢搵工既原因. 我怕徙左啲時間面試, 最後啲人都唔肯請我. 不過, 夏威夷已經好多中國人, 我估情況可 ...

[ 本文章最後由 bunnymonkey 於 07-9-21 17:49 編輯 ]

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Let me join this topic too. I work in a Chinese bank, some of our customers are Americans though. I haven't encountered one, but co-workers at the call center said some rude Americans would say "Go back to your country", "I want to talkto someone who can speak English" or things like that. Those people are crazy. They don't have to bank with us!

For me, my Chinese accent and limited vocabulary is a big disadvantage working in American company because I am in the Marketing field. Even though all my technical skills like research, analysis, etc. are better, my salary was lower than other Americans colleagues.

It's better now since my company is a Chinese bank where most of the employees are Chinese. But actually I am looking for a job closer to where I live.

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發表於 07-9-23 11:48 |只看該作者

Bunnymonkey, mrschao, 我估IT 界會好唔同, 成個聯合國咁. 不過我都試過俾人係電話講過: i want to someone who can speak english. 嘩, 我真係想喊呀. 另一次係, 有個家長吞左啲童軍啲cookie money, 個同事叫個家長同我傾, 因為我係superviser, 但個家長同個同事講, 唔想同我傾, 因為我doesn't speak english well. 咁我又係屋企喊一餐. 搞到自己好自卑. 讀得書多, 有經驗又點, 俾人咁咩得一句, 真係好傷架. 所以有時好想返香港, 可惜我知我老公唔會跟我走. 我都好想好似mrschao咁搵間chinese 公司打工, 我估我會係心理上有返啲安全感.

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發表於 07-9-23 23:33 |只看該作者

BunnyMonkey, Mrschao & Muimui,
我响政券行做工,依行係male dominant industry, 仲要係Italian & Jewish嗰种.但我又唔覺人哋会歧视我.始終NY太多有色人種.而人工我同自己個team比較(佢哋係Irish, Italian, Spanish, Labanese & American),我又同佢哋响同一個range入面.不過我係一個响人工方面極力爭取嘅人,每年响老細budget 花紅時我都去佢office傾下計,比佢知道我係在意自己嘅compensation.我以前冇揾老細傾,人工真係差好遠.所以你哋想攞多d人工就要出聲.因為自己有实力,做到嘢.老細都唔想無咗嗰好幫手.
以前我都会怕俾人笑我有口音,但越怕就会越在意,跟住就小講.不過我發覺好多講得差過我嘅人都会唔mind,好大声咁講.自己收收埋埋就更加難有進步, so依家未成日去同事d office 講下笑, chit chat吓,一來溝通多d,二來又可8多d囉.

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發表於 07-9-24 02:57 |只看該作者

so cloudy, marschao, bunnymonkey,
我估做forprofit 同nonprofit 好唔同, 真係預左係labour of love, 我公司都唔知點做budget, 年年deficit. 今年board meeting 講明freeze salary, 個個同事都好大反應, 其實舊年, 無講凍薪, 都無加到. 所以啲同事其實差唔多兩年無加過薪. 尤其是後生既同事, 佢地連student loan 都未還完, 賺果少少, 成日ot 都無補鐘同補水, 呢度生活費又貴, 所以佢地都想走人. 我都要積極搵工.

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發表於 07-9-24 09:03 |只看該作者

Muimui,
我今年公司被sub-prime mess影响,我估分分鈡人工都冇得加.不過上年我老細加咗我幾好嘅人工.一早講明今年唔好唸咁多.而我又大肚,我都係預咗俾我就收,唔俾就放耐啲產假,填番條數.
不過同公司講感情就無謂,有需要都係要轉工.自己唔食,細嘅都要啦!

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發表於 07-9-25 06:52 |只看該作者

I have once interviewed for a position of supervisor (I was an associate director in the same field in HK before). The one who should be my boss is a manager and he asked me a few questions, mostly of them were not related to the jobs, just some kinds of gossip topics. After no more than 20 minutes, the interview was over. I already knew that I won't get the job. After I came home, I sent an email to this manager, HR manager and HR coordinator to follow up and thank for the interview. 1 hour later, I received a response saying that they did not consider my experience good enough for this position (what?

I thought that they were just making excuses). A few minutes later, the HR manager accidentially sent an email to the manager and the coordinator (cc me) saying that "wow, English definitely a second language". I don't mind that they point out the fact but they were making cheap joke on me. BTW, the manager comes from Europe and he has accent too.

Well, but who wants to work with people like that.

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Rose-mag,
你有冇reply俾班人知你got cc on the mail ah?依d係歧視,一定要佢哋鄭重apologize同保留追究權利.其实佢哋唔蠢&大意又点會cc你, 仲懶有優越感.

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發表於 07-9-25 14:42 |只看該作者

So cloudy, 我一直以黎太感情用事, 成日都覺得, 佢地對我咁好, 唔好意思走. 今次俾你一句點醒左:"同公司講感情就無謂,有需要都係要轉工.自己唔食,細嘅都要啦!" 我有個同事話, 公司無錢俾多啲人工, 所以就捉心理,返工時間好有彈性, 又可以work fr home,令啲同事唔好意思走.但其實另一方面就用到我地盡哂, 今次我會硬心腸啲, 唔為自己, 都要為下歷仔.我真係如夢初醒, 多謝哂.

rose-mag, 嘩!佢地真係賤人一班. 咁樣對人, 點醒目都無用,何況佢地唔醒目兼大意, 佢地走左寶都唔知, 抵 C !

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發表於 07-9-25 23:33 |只看該作者

rose-mag
that is so ridiculus! i would find a way to complain about them. they are so un professional... what kind of firm is it?
well i guess most of them r 歧視 chinese anyway.
i used to have lunch with my co-workers before but they started making stupid jokes like "do you know who would eat chinese food everyday?" "1 billion chinese people" and they all started laughing...common.. that's racism. i dun really see why that's so funny.

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發表於 07-9-26 03:23 |只看該作者

socloudy, muimui313, alisonli,
I was so upset and shocked when I received the email. But, I sort of understand - I was an Associated Director and my potential boss was a manager. He might scared of having a person having 14 years of experience working under him. And, it's a fact that English is my 2nd language, it's true. But, as an international advertising agency, I was so disappointed that they made such a big mistake and it could be turned into a big trouble to their company. My C6 was so pissed and he asked people about it and most of them said it's definitely racism and many of them told us to go to an attorney. But, my C6's aunt told us to move on. She's working in HR dept of a law firm. She said that it's the truth but they presented it in cheap taste. We can try to make a big fuss from it but if I still want to persude a job in the field or in that company later, I should let it go. Well, I don't think that I will look for a job in this company in SF any more (actually, I worked in this company in HK before and I still have connection) - who want to be an inferior player in the firm. But, I wanted to move on and look for another better chance. Honestly speaking, I don't want to work day and night in the advertising agency, leaving no time for my family although I know that I can make pretty good money with my previous experience.

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Muimui,
你咁本事就柑係喺後生時搵多ｄ$,投資下或買多d 401k.老咗就慢慢嘆.我依家都係咁, max out個401k,等30年後退休就用我份401k俾我同c6用.c6份就希望留俾d子孫.如果可以做到個疏爽而又開通嘅老人家,老咗都大把人同我玩.唔係嘅話要孤零零就惨過担泥.
其实要轉工都好難,做慣咗依家份工而去重新適應另一份工真係唔易.不過魚唔過堂又唔肥…我覺得見工時最緊要留意老細係男定女,有冇家庭子女.我本身就覺得幫男人打工好d,而有家庭嘅又会明白同体諒我哋d媽咪.放假或早走都唔會阿之阿咗,又小d OT.
Otherwise就寧願做住依家份工,搵啱至走.費時做到miserable.搵多多都補唔番.

原文章由 muimui313 於 07-9-25 14:42 發表
So cloudy, 我一直以黎太感情用事, 成日都覺得, 佢地對我咁好, 唔好意思走. 今次俾你一句點醒左:"同公司講感情就無謂,有需要都係要轉工.自己唔食,細嘅都要啦!" 我有個同事話, 公司無錢俾多啲人工, 所以就捉心理,返工 ...

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