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Sigh! I am not happy with my new job.

I joined the company last month, all staff are new (the company is newly formed for a project) and most of them join the company for 3 mths only, the longest is 1.5 yrs, but they are all very experienced (some working for 20 to 40 yrs), I am almost the junior staff (this never happens as I am always the "elderly" in my previous companies).

Since the 1st day, I find my supervisor doesn't like me. There is only 3 staffs in my team, the supervisor, a colleague senior than me (I use "senior" hereafter), and me. Suppose the senior and I work for different fields, but my supervisor says we "work as a team" and as he is "senior", he should take the lead. I am fine with it as the senior is nice. But the strange thing is, every time we have discussions, my supervisor will only speak to the senior, but never talk to me or even look at me, just like I am transparent. When he needs some helps, he goes direct to the senior and gives him all details like emails, letters, etc. and asks him to attend meetings with him. As we are both new, in order to pick up the job and knows the history quickly, those emails, letters and meetings do much help to me. Also, as there is no guideline or recording system or central filing that you can find any past history, it is really hard for me to know what is happening; the only way to know more is to ask other colleagues, but they are all busy doing their job so it seems that I may disturb them as I need to ask them from "zero". So, to me, I feel really upset as the senior can know every details so he knows what he is doing and can do several tasks and get appreciation from the supervisor; I am just sitting in the office, don't know what's going on and and can't help anything, just like an "useless" person there, with no contribution.

Another worse thing is, as my past experience is dealing with "projects at later stage", so I have no knowledge on how to deal with the tasks for earlier stages.....but the interviewers including the department head and my supervisor know it. So when I find out in Day 1 my job duties and knowing there is no record to trace, I am a bit shocked and can't understand why they employ me. Of course, there are still discussions on how to do the later stage tasks which I can contribute, but not much. These make me think....maybe this is the reason why my supervisor doesn't like me, thinking that I am not experienced enough than the senior. Also, even when he asks something that I know well and I tell him the answer, he seems not hearing me but keeps asking the senior the same question.....I feel so upset as I have never been so "ignored" in my 1x working experience, and I got much appreciations from my previous bosses and clients throughout the years.

I really don't want to be "ignored" in this way. Also, the current tasks are not within my expertise, I feel so depressed and find myself useless everyday, so I do want to quit the job. But on the other hand, my husband wants me to go back to work to earn $, as you know, there are lots of expenses for raising a baby, and he comforts me that they are giving me money (with high pay) and give me chance to learn new things and there must be some reasons that they employ me even they know I don't have such kind of experience.

Righ, every staffs there are nice and friendly, really hard to believe, but it is true, maybe they are all new. Only my supervisor, though wearing his smile always and talks in a polite way, I don't think he likes me.

So what should I do? Should I stay? But it is really hard to work with a supervisor who doesn't like/believe in me.

Sorry for my long story.

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我好同意: it is really hard to work with a supervisor who doesn't like/believe in me

不過,如果你有一班算係幾好的同事,可以大家有講有笑的話,會否考慮再比D時間去做呢份工呢?

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原帖由 wcpcelia 於 10-12-19 08:50 發表
我好同意: it is really hard to work with a supervisor who doesn't like/believe in me

不過,如果你有一班算係幾好的同事,可以大家有講有笑的話,會否考慮再比D時間去做呢份工呢? ...

Thanks for listening to me and give me advice ah
Yes, that's why I have hesitation, haha, but in the office, no one chat or make personal phone calls nor visit on line, so it is "dead air" in the office, so really hard to stand for 8 hrs a day without talking (except about business la). But we will chat after work ger....and they won't go home until 7 or 8 pm ah....as my supervisor is those old traditional type, like his staff to stay late at night though we have finished our work already....but I want to go home straight to see my baby ma...my senior is "poor", he has a 10 mth old girl but in order to please the supervisor, he stays until 8 pm....

Yes, I will stay for a while and see how it is going. It is just the case that I can quit my job w/o notice in the 1st mth probation, but need 1 mth notice in the 2nd and 3rd mth probation, so I do want to make a decision b4 the lapse of the 1st mth jar.

But yes, just try for a few weeks and if I really can't stand it, just quit and find another job lor, though it is not easy to find a good one with good pay as, in my field, I am too experienced that most companies are not willing to give high pay but prefer paying less for less experienced staff ah.

And thanks again ah.

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Other than you're not happy with that person, is everything ok?

If yes, why not give some extra time and investigate to see whether you can do something to improve the relatioship with the senior? For some team members need longer time to warm up with other teamates.

Having understand that your past experience isnt that relevant to your current job, think in the other way round, it's an opportunity to train up yourself and further strengthen your skills, right? Maybe you can find loads of job satisfaction later?

Since it's now end of year, what about give yourself another months to get use to the new environment? If problem still not improved, start looking for a new job after CNY.

Wish you all the best.

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如果公司唔可以傾計,真係會悶d...
不過正如你都話,出面未必有其他僱主肯offer好的人工比你,咁你真係要忍耐一下了...我相信毎份工作都一定有甜,亦有辣的...
加油呀...
你有時間的話,上黎大家傾下計啦...

原帖由 momo627 於 10-12-20 03:44 發表

Thanks for listening to me and give me advice ah
Yes, that's why I have hesitation, haha, but in the office, no one chat or make personal phone calls nor visit on line, so it is "dead air" in the o ...

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咁又係呀...就算真係轉工,情況許可之下,都最好過咗年,睇定d才諗了..

原帖由 momobibi 於 10-12-20 12:39 發表
Other than you're not happy with that person, is everything ok?

If yes, why not give some extra time and investigate to see whether you can do something to improve the relatioship with the senior? F ...

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為左錢,比D時間去觀察下,都只係得supervisor一個難相處,做耐左可能另有一番新景象呢!

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thanks everybody. Yes, I know the best way is to stay and see how the situation....but every morning, really don't want to work.

I am those nervous person and always request myself to do the best and in efficient way, I do have much confidence in myself; anything go wrong or a bit out of my expectation will make me depressed. So, it is really a hard time for me, as I am not a fresh graduate, I seem like a idilot, giving no contribution at all....so...really don't want to go to work every morning...feel down in the office always.

Yes, see how it is going, and thanks a lot for comforing and give me advice ah.

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樓主,試下把你的工作標準/要求降低,你會過得開心d架...
我都有一個同事+朋友,她本身是完美主義者,連簽個名都要自己簽得好靚才會滿意...毎次放假前夕,她也要求自己要淸晒枱頭上的工作(但根本無可能做得完架),於是搞到好夜才收工...放完一日假,又發現枱頭有大量未處理的文件,於是又搞到個人又忙又緊張...午飯都唔食...
我地見到都覺得佢辛苦呀...

原帖由 momo627 於 10-12-22 02:47 發表
thanks everybody. Yes, I know the best way is to stay and see how the situation....but every morning, really don't want to work.

I am those nervous person and always request myself to do the best and ...

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樓主, 你仲係咁新, 我諗你係咪應該比多d時間去適應呢? 你需要, 你supervisor同埋你senior都需要, 每逢去到一個新既環境, 都需要一段磨合期的~

你話你supervisor當你透明, 會唔會佢只係想一層層, 同左你senior講左先, 然後想你senior話返比你知? 你有咩想知, 係咪可以主動d, 問返個senior?

你話你supervisor其實都有笑容, 已經好過我了, 你知嗎? 我年資比你長, 一路以黎咁多份工, 我d老闆全部都對我有讚無彈, 但呢兩年跟左個麻煩人, 比佢一野打沉哂 : 無理取鬧, 吹無求疵, 一時一樣, 但我諗我都會一路捱落去, 因除左呢個老闆唔好之外, 其他野都好好, 所以我應該都唔會走~

你寧願做我, 定做返你自己?

我搞下笑架咋, 唔好插我呀!!!!!!!!!!

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原帖由 momo627 於 10-12-22 02:47 發表
thanks everybody. Yes, I know the best way is to stay and see how the situation....but every morning, really don't want to work.

I am those nervous person and always request myself to do the best and ...

哈哈...以前既我有D似你呀,但隨著年紀越大,已經對自已在工作上冇乜要求,當然我都會做好呢份工,但我會更著緊我既家庭,老實講我既上司都耐不耐無理取鬧,以前我會忍唔住轉工,而家真係睇錢份上,工作量唔多,人工又不太差,有時都覺得好廢架.但可以準時放工,多D親子時間,咁諗會開心D.

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I'm actually thinking the other way. If you are already in the industry long enough and you know what situation you're into, this job doesn't sound like a fit for you. In short, it's hard to "fly":
1. project nature - it's not something you're comfortable and familiar of; building a new project/company isn't that easy, you need a personality to success
2. team setup - you're considered as "junior" at the beginning and it will be like that for a while. You sounds like you've experience, would that be sth you'd like to live with?
3. personal health - if you have to drag yourself to work everyday, it's a torture. It could eventually affect your health, is that worth it?

It all boils down to how bad you want to get out of this. It'd be easier to get out of a wrong match and finding something new, than waiting 6-12 months to switch job. The new hiring manager will think why are you dragging on an unmatch for that long. If you get out of it quick, just simply don't mention you've this job on your resume.

Just my thoughts!

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,試下把你的工作標準/要求降低,你會過得開心d架...
我都有一個同事+朋友,她本身是完美主義者,連簽個名都要自己簽得好靚才會滿意...毎次放假前夕,她也要求自己要淸晒枱頭上的工作(但根本無可能做得完架),於是搞到 ... [/quote]

thanks a lot.
Haha, you guess right, I am exactly the kind of person as your friends, we have deadlines to complete the job, and I never forget myself to break my promise, so I have been going through 5 yrs, no lunchtime, on dinner (no breakfast also). If I didn't finish my job, I will bring it home, work overnight and email back to office in midnight. My director appreciates my work, not hardworking (I hate this term which means you are not smart but spend too much time doing the job), and he knows I love my projects, I love to complete all my task by myself anf feel comfortable.

The problem now is, I have the passion to do it, but what and how can I do it? I have no knowledge on it. See the terms like short form of those govt depts talking about their different requirements and their duties during the meetings (which really requires some basic ideas), I can contribute nothing, just listen...and maybe it is only my feeling, my collegues know I don't have the knowledge, which makes me feel bad.

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[quote]原帖由 newcook 於 10-12-22 10:52 發表

樓主, 你仲係咁新, 我諗你係咪應該比多d時間去適應呢? 你需要, 你supervisor同埋你senior都需要, 每逢去到一個新既環境, 都需要一段磨合期的~

你話你supervisor當你透明, 會唔會佢只係想一層層, 同左你senior講左先 ... [/quote]

Agree with u, should spend more time to see if I can cope with this. Actually I have only changed my job twice, I quit my job after giving birth to teh baby and take a yr rest....so this may be the reason I need more time to tell myself I can't keep on thinking of my baby.

你話你supervisor當你透明, 會唔會佢只係想一層層, 同左你senior講左先, 然後想你senior話返比你知? 你有咩想知, 係咪可以主動d, 問返個senior?<---I understand some traditional supervisor loves doing this. In my 2 previous jobs, I speak directly to the directors and go Clients meetings with him or myself, my boss believed in me and I can make decisionl So, to me, this is the first time I need to be an "assistant" to sb. (I am a team leader since I graduated for 3 yrs and get my professional qual.). And in the interview, the dept head tells me I will be incharge of a team, not under the supervisision of the "senior" (I don't mean the supervisor), so my senior and me are really confused now what we are doing.

Yes, my senior is nice, but everyone is nice here as we are all new, hope I am lucky la.

The worst thing is, my supervisor is those old traditional one, always come out of his room, pretending to make photo copies and punching holes, see what we are doing, ask the neighbours where we are if we are not in the seat; people leave a bit earlier for 15 mins b4 lunchour, he will come and check and say loud "oh, go out so quick" but with smile; and check since 6 pm to 7:30 pm (finish work at 6pm) and see if the senior and i are still there....I hate this kind of boss, I wil finish my work if I have finished and if it is urgent, but when there is nothing speical, why I have to stay until 7 pm to show you I am hardworking?

and the most important is, you draw a very good point, he is not intend to tell the Senior the story to tell me later, he just tells the senior everything, but tells me there is no need to distibute the things to me or let me to attend the meetings. So I can't understand the full picture of what is going on.

Also, even he smles, and say "you are always welcome to come to my office to read the files and those submissions", when I go into his room when he is there, he is nervous, telling me he only gets 1 copy and can't tell me where I can get the copy.....so why not saying "ask the collegues to get the copy?". Some easy tasks (I can do it when I graduated), he sill ask the Senior "monito" and end up I do it myself but when we disucss how he feels on the revised version, he only speaks to the Senior, seems like I have no contribution on it......

When there is new task, when I ask the supervisor if there is any guidlines or procudure, he says no; any reference report? No. So what is supposed I should do in the meeting? He gives me no answer. When I finish the meeting and I tell him what happened, he blames me "we should not do that based on the "procedure" (oh, then there is procedures?), and when I tell him based on my judgement the other dept head are not doing the "right" thing, he says nothing and say it is fine...then later, he speaks in the Project meeting, telling the department head what I have told him, then makes the dept head alert that we should remind the relevant people it is not a normal practice.......so why can't my superior give me some tips before the meeing? Why there is always "yes we have procedures', but "no" when I ask him to take a look......Smiling means nothing, I want the answer, or else I don;t know what I should do in the future.

你話你supervisor其實都有笑容, 已經好過我了, 你知嗎? 我年資比你長, 一路以黎咁多份工, 我d老闆全部都對我有讚無彈, 但呢兩年跟左個麻煩人, 比佢一野打沉哂 : 無理取鬧, 吹無求疵, 一時一樣, 但我諗我都會一路捱落去, 因除左呢個老闆唔好之外, 其他野都好好, 所以我應該都唔會走~
<--haha, really, I work for 1x yrs la wor (very old ga), and I have the same exp. as yours, my senior and my collegaues working under me are not good (in quality and personality)< My senior doesn;t like me and think I speak "bad words" to the director; senior collegues think I got good and big projects as my director "likes" me (I don't think so); the junor staff, recently graduated don't want to work, sleeping in the office, go home sharpt at 5:30pm and tell you she won't OT as their salary are low and if you can't finish your job, do it yourself cos your salary is higher...So do you think it is better than you>

Tthough with lowpay in previous office, my director treats me super good (so my senior doesn't like me lor), and that's why I stayed in my ex office for 10 yr, until I change my job with much higher pay with my hb.

你寧願做我, 定做返你自己?<---so no easy to be you or me, right>

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原帖由 wcpcelia 於 10-12-20 13:41 發表
如果公司唔可以傾計,真係會悶d...
不過正如你都話,出面未必有其他僱主肯offer好的人工比你,咁你真係要忍耐一下了...我相信毎份工作都一定有甜,亦有辣的...
加油呀...
你有時間的話,上黎大家傾下計啦...
...

thanks for your comfort, yes, telling makes me feel more relieved. My hb only blames me saying everyone face the same questions so it should be my problems (He never listens to details, even he did, he doesn't see the way as mine, maybe we look at different angles gwar)

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原帖由 Hopeful2010 於 10-12-22 11:03 發表

哈哈...以前既我有D似你呀,但隨著年紀越大,已經對自已在工作上冇乜要求,當然我都會做好呢份工,但我會更著緊我既家庭,老實講我既上司都耐不耐無理取鬧,以前我會忍唔住轉工,而家真係睇錢份上,工作量唔多,人工又不太 ...

Me too la, less ambitous than be, too old to me la. But you know, staying 8 hrs in the office is even longer staying with my family, and the supervisor is....and I don't know how to do the job ler, I don't want people thinking I am "useless" ma.

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原帖由 mizuho 於 10-12-22 18:00 發表
I'm actually thinking the other way. If you are already in the industry long enough and you know what situation you're into, this job doesn't sound like a fit for you. In short, it's hard to "fly":
...

Yes, you re right, the point is, the job doesn't fit me

1. project nature <--I think I am too early to join the company, I fit when the project runs till a later stage, like the bldg. 1 yr prior to be built...it is now too remote, and talking to the govt dept and negotiate with them are hard to me as I have no basic backgrounds

2. team setup - you're considered as "junior" at the beginning and it will be like that for a while. <--right, if I can have chance to familarise with the job, I do think I can handle it....but my supervisor is "hindering' me on this.

You sounds like you've experience, would that be sth you'd like to live with?<---right, I am the "elderly" in my previous 2 companies, working for many projects and I attend meetings and can make decision on behalf of the company. I am the team lead with colleguese working under me 3 mths after I graduated, so I have never been dealing with this kind of "arrangement", director will speak to me directly and instructs me to next step and I will report to him (but we are not a small company)....So, I know it is good to have a Senior to teach me dealing with those I have no knowledge, but I really don't like the idea that my works need to be "commented" by him cos I do have confidence in myself....and my senior feels a bit strange also by the supervisor's arrangement on this.

3. personal health - if you have to drag yourself to work everyday, it's a torture. It could eventually affect your health, is that worth it?<---you make the point, but as my hb wants me to go to work, what else I can do, just try until I can't stand it la, maybe end of Dec, or in Jan.

Thanks for your advice. Yes, as I do think unless I find there is much improvement in the situation, I will quit the job and look for a new job one, not mentioing about this job, coz I have been taking rest since last Xmas, just tell them I haven't finished my long vacation lor.

Haha, thanks a lot.

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我都想講呀,好多時老公未必一定可以諒解到老婆的工作環境架...可能佢地根本無呢d問題,於是反而係覺得你跟任何同事溝通都會有困難,係你個人的問題而已...

原帖由 momo627 於 10-12-23 02:57 發表

thanks for your comfort, yes, telling makes me feel more relieved. My hb only blames me saying everyone face the same questions so it should be my problems (He never listens to details, even he did, ...

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樓主,既然你巳清晰地為自己定了一個適應期...咁你只需盡力在這段期間內去學習及適應便可以了...唔需要太唔開心...如果到時真係發現真係跟新公司磨合不了,咁就quit啦...

原帖由 momo627 於 10-12-23 03:13 發表

Yes, you re right, the point is, the job doesn't fit me

1. project nature

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