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水晶宮

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我的育兒心得勳章 夏天玩到顛 熱血勳章 畀面勳章 有「營」勳章 陪月勳章 爸B勳章 大廚勳章


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發表於 12-5-31 23:34 |只看該作者
最近有家人因情緒病而自剎, 知道佢係已信主, 但未洗禮, 亞仔問: 媽咪, 咁XXX佢自己剎自己, 第時可唔可以去天父到架??? 又話不可剎人ge??? 咁自己剎自己算唔算係剎人架???

雖然丙媽己受洗禮, 但係信仰上仲未去到好成熟個階段, 對聖經都仲未好理解, 小丙呢番話我應該點回應佢呢???

我又唔想小丙果位親友係因為自己做錯事而自剎, 可以教吓我點答小丙會得體D, 又唔會令死者好以做錯事得到處罰咁呢???


複式洋房

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發表於 12-6-2 11:35 |只看該作者

回覆:lambing 的帖子

我覺得妳呢條問題都係請教下牧師好D




珍珠宮

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發表於 12-6-2 12:34 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 858D 於 12-6-2 12:50 編輯

It is up to GOD.

He judge on a case by case basis.

I pray for 小丙 and you.

Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own  ~ H. Jackson Brown


侯爵府

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發表於 12-6-2 17:36 |只看該作者
唔知你小朋友幾大個, 亦唔知自己答得合唔知體統

不過, 如果我小朋友問, 我會咁答:

"人的確唔可以自殺, 因為人無權掌握生死權, 人地O既, 自己O既生命, 我地人類都無權了結; 但係XXX受情緒所影響, 佢先咁做, 佢自己都唔想O架, 唔係存心自殺; 正如你, 若你考試唔合格, 係因為你唔讀書, 媽媽會好唔高興, 但若你努力左, 但唔合格, 媽媽唔會怪你"

如果天空總是黑暗的,那就摸黑生存;如果發出聲音是危險的,那就保持沉默;如果自覺無力發光的,那就蜷伏於牆角。但不要習慣了黑暗就為黑暗辯護;不要為自己的苟且而得意;不要嘲諷那些比自己更勇敢熱情的人們。我們可以卑微如塵土,不可扭曲如蛆蟲 - 曼德拉


水晶宮

積分: 66961

我的育兒心得勳章 夏天玩到顛 熱血勳章 畀面勳章 有「營」勳章 陪月勳章 爸B勳章 大廚勳章


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發表於 12-6-2 17:43 |只看該作者

引用:唔知你小朋友幾大個,+亦唔知自己答得合唔知

原帖由 pyjess 於 12-06-02 發表
唔知你小朋友幾大個, 亦唔知自己答得合唔知體統

不過, 如果我小朋友問, 我會咁答:
小丙6歲半,不過你個例子好易明白,可以試下。




侯爵府

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發表於 12-6-2 17:47 |只看該作者
回覆 lambing 的帖子

6.5歲, 係時候學習分析, 呢件不幸事件中, 佢都反映左佢O既分析力
如果天空總是黑暗的,那就摸黑生存;如果發出聲音是危險的,那就保持沉默;如果自覺無力發光的,那就蜷伏於牆角。但不要習慣了黑暗就為黑暗辯護;不要為自己的苟且而得意;不要嘲諷那些比自己更勇敢熱情的人們。我們可以卑微如塵土,不可扭曲如蛆蟲 - 曼德拉


侯爵府

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發表於 12-6-2 17:58 |只看該作者
回覆 lambing 的帖子

補充多一句:

"神當然知我地有心定無意犯錯, 正如我知你有無努力一樣"
如果天空總是黑暗的,那就摸黑生存;如果發出聲音是危險的,那就保持沉默;如果自覺無力發光的,那就蜷伏於牆角。但不要習慣了黑暗就為黑暗辯護;不要為自己的苟且而得意;不要嘲諷那些比自己更勇敢熱情的人們。我們可以卑微如塵土,不可扭曲如蛆蟲 - 曼德拉


珍珠宮

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發表於 12-6-3 01:52 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 858D 於 12-6-3 02:01 編輯

Pyjess 說的很合六歲孩子理解。
當我與友人 KNT 討論此題目時,我們還不知對象是小孩。所以說的是我們能明白理解的內容。既然 KNT 已寫好了,我也順便張貼出來:

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Suicide - Q & As

right or wrong?
sin or not?
going to hell if we suicide?




------------- to be continued --------------------
Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own  ~ H. Jackson Brown


珍珠宮

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發表於 12-6-3 01:53 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 858D 於 12-6-3 01:57 編輯

[Not all answered by one answer.

The word is not used in the NASB or KJV bibles.

To me it is a similar question to this one: Is a person lost if they were sinning when they died?

Since we sin quite frequently it is likely some of us will die while sinning. Which ones? The unlucky ones? I don't think it is like that. We also often take a while sometimes before admitting our sin to God so it would be common for a person to have an unrepentent sin and then die.

If it is true that a person is definitely lost, then it comes down to luck. Our fates do not come down to luck however, but we are all dependent on God's grace.

So even if it is a sin does that mean the person is lost just because that was the last thing they were doing?

People often comment that suicide is always selfish but I disagree.

Judges 16:21-31 - Samson causes own death in enemy camp, asking God to die with them. God granted his request and the bible seems to speak well of it, commenting on how many of the enemy died with him, over a thousand. Or was that murder? Definitely not.
Consider other sins too. Generally it is wrong to lie and perpetual liars are definitely lost but there have been cases where lying is not condemned. Example: Rahab of Jericho who lied when she hid the Israelite spies yet was praised for her great faith. (Pastors will often shun that idea and say she obtained mercy but the bible does not condemn her lying and I can't see how the spies would have lived had she not lied.)
What about sacrifices?]



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Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own  ~ H. Jackson Brown


珍珠宮

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發表於 12-6-3 01:55 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 858D 於 12-6-3 01:58 編輯

I Jn. 3:16 - "He laid down His life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

[Martyrs gave up their lives for the cause of Christ. It is not ideal to commit suicide, but sacrificing ourself is an exception.

We should be prepared to sacrifice our life but I think that is different than selfishly taking one's own life without regard to others. Usually suicide is like that instead.]



Rom. 14:7 - "not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself"


I Cor. 6:19 - "your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you...you are not your own


----------------- to be continued ------------------
Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own  ~ H. Jackson Brown


珍珠宮

積分: 38275


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發表於 12-6-3 01:55 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 858D 於 12-6-3 01:59 編輯

[Here is my opinion as of this moment based on what I know from the bible. Personally I believe it depends on each case. After all is said we are all saved by grace, not saved because we make right decisions (except the decision to make Christ Lord of our life). I wouldn't say suicide is right if it is not meant to help but it may not necessarily be a sin. Even if it is a sin, we cannot know how God will decide on it. God said "blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy." It does not have an exception for the person who dies sinning including suicide. It depends on the individual's heart and is entirely up to God to decide. I think that is what you shoud tell your son. I don't think too much about things that are beyond my control and I am reassurred knowing all things are in God's control. The most important thing for you and your son is not whether the person is lost or not but how will you each react to it.]


KNT
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Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own  ~ H. Jackson Brown


大宅

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發表於 12-6-3 04:11 |只看該作者
我大概會同個小朋友咁講﹕
自殺係天父唔喜歡嘅事﹐因為天父愛惜我地嘅生命﹐亦都期望我地喺任何情況下都相信天父、依靠天父。別人有邊個能夠去天國唔係我地可以完全能夠知道﹐但我相信天父對xxx會有特別嘅憐憫同體恤﹐因為天父知道xxx有精神病﹐佢做嘅事情好多時候唔到佢自己選擇。

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babyislove    發表於 12-6-3 15:50

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