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這也解釋到為何受害人梁太不繼哭訴:「點解佢地唔比錢佢…」...原來錢比人質更重要

雖然係英文,但請大家也睇睇:
睇唔到ge用Firefox睇,Or睇下底小倩的回覆。

http://www.823tragedy.com/

粗略翻譯如下:

(寫這篇文章的是一個住在香港的菲籍中國人)

- 不要被菲律賓政府和傳媒騙倒。那個搶手要的是錢, 而不是復職。如果搶手收100萬菲元,就不會殺死任何一個人質,一早逃離Manila.

- 菲律賓政府從來未想過要保護人質。根本從頭到尾都無保證過什麼!他們不會出任何錢去換取人質的生命。這些都沒有報道因為菲律賓政府故事隱門事實。

- 究竟有多少人是被搶手殺害、有多少是被警察殺害?我們不知道。

首先,我要強調,所有在菲律賓發生的人質事件,無論大大小小,都只是為了錢。相信我,我在這個國家住了幾年,所有我見過聽聞過的人質事件,都只是要錢。另一個悲哀的事實是,大部份人質都是中國人。

事實是,菲律賓人已對這些人質事件見怪不怪。他們亦不會對於人質是中國人而感到驚奇。從電視直播中背後可聽到笑聲就可以證明這一點。所以若果你以為菲律賓政府會認真地對待這事件,你實在太天真了。

總括而言,搶手只是要錢。其實認真想想就會知道,就算他是世界上最蠢的人,也不會認為自己做了這件事後真的可以復職。另外,搶手已55歲了,我想他應該是想退休拿回點錢。夠簡單了嗎?當然,我不可能會拿到證據給你看。但這不是法庭,不需要證據。如果你覺得我任何地方有矛盾之處,請告訴我。

直至現時,跟本一些關於他們談判過程的報告也沒有,你也不要期望他們會有。他們不會給我們知道真相。

怎樣才可以救到那8個遇害人質,就是給搶手錢、將一架車駛到巴士的門只讓人質搭走。最後你將會看到搶手滿意地逃離這個國家,而人質也安然無羔。

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sorry,看不到。


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原帖由 ann0 於 10-8-25 18:06 發表
sorry,看不到。

有無人翻譯一下。


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唔俾人睇ge???

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The uncovered truth of the 823 tragedy in the Philippines --- It's all about Money.
Before reading further, or you are too tired to read my long article, here are the 3 things I wish any visitors would keep in mind:


Don't be fooled by the filipino authorities and media. The hostage taker wants MONEY, but not the reinstatement of his job. Mr. Mendoza will leave all hostages alone (and alive), heading south, and never return to Manila, if he received a suitcase filled with 1 Million Peso cash notes. Be mature, be wise, and be strong. Admit that the Filipino authorities have NEVER think of keeping all hostages alive. There's NO GUARANTEE at all from the very beginning!!!! They won't pay a single dollar in exchange with the lives of the hostages. This is not reported because the Filipino authorities hide it IN PURPOSE!!! How many hostages were killed by the gunman, and how many were killed by the polices force? May god tell us the truth eventually.
Snipers sprayed fire instead of a single, precise lethal shot. Eventually, one bullet hit the gunman, but where had the other bullets gone?Snipers already in good position in early daytime.A good chance to take Mendoza down.
Last updated: 12:30pm, 25 August 2010
Online since: 6:40pm, 24 August 2010

If you know me well, you would know that I don't like to speak. I mean I am talkative enough in front of real friends, but I hate to speak in front of public and strangers, no matter what happened and how struggling I was when some big events happened. But for this time, allow me to express my thoughts and feelings from very deep inner place of my heart. As a person with strong relationship to the Philippines, who have spent a few years childhood age in the country, I have something to say.
Firstly, I have to emphasize that, all the kidnappings happened in the Philippines, no matter the hostage takers were from well-organized anti-government guerilla, to your own private driver, it's the same. It's all about a simple single word - MONEY. Believe me or not, being living in the "Capitol of Kidnapping" for some years, all the kidnapping cases I've encountered, no matter in what situation, with what kind of background stories, that I have ever, ever heard about or encountered in person, were eventually asking for MONEY. However, I have to add that, it would be fair enough to say, the situation is much better now in 2010 despite there are still around over 100 cases/year in average, and unfortunately, most of the targeted hostages were Chinese people.
I am sorry to tell but the truth is, filipinos have already get used to this kind of kidnapping incidents. They also get used to the fact that hostages are commonly Chinese. So my friends, don't ask me any more questions like "why the filipino authorities/polices react so slow/stupid/act so dangerously"………etc. Come on, the answer is that they simply DON'T CARE about the lives inside the bus. PERIOD. It is just like how Hong Kong people get used to street demonstrations, filipinos get used to kidnappings. This can be proved by the irritating laughter you've heard during the live broadcast of the incident, and the disdain face of the new President of the Philippines, Aquino III when he had his site visit last night. I am not trying to trigger any racial hatred or whatever similar, I am just trying to tell the truth based on my understanding to this country. But I am sorry to say, you are too pure if you expect the filipino government or polices to react on this kind of situation as serious as that it is happening in Hong Kong or any other developed places. However, to be fair, I have to further emphasize that there is no real hatred on Chinese in the filipino world, the Philippines is not like Indonesia (link). Most of the Chinese lives there peacefully with the filipino people, although the former is dominating the country's economy. The Chinese community is already a indispensable part of the country. Perhaps, it is something more complicated than simple hatred. In a very little portion of filipino's heart, I would say, jealousy exists. However, i would assume that this is a normal phenomenon in the rest of the world, where poorer people will sometimes jealous richer people.



Filipino "snipers" sprayed weapons fire, regardless many hostages were located in the fore part of the bus. No wonder that there was a rumor claiming that THREE hostages were killed by the snipers' shots.

So, back on the incident, my very personal conclusion is, this hostage taker is simply asking for MONEY but not really the reinstatement of his job. I could not even reason it with my brain, so could you? Even he is the most stupid person in the world, would he ask for a reinstatement of a police position by an absolutely illegal kidnapping exercise???? NO!. Could you reason it? I think none of you could. It just simply doesn't make any sense.
The hostage taker was already 55, what he was looking for should be a retirement plan (this could be the ransom, or his original retirement benefits), but not a police job. Well, simple enough? In my opinion, his background, underlying stories, are all just a beautiful decal of his ugly, selfish kidnapping action. There MUST be MONEY TERMS involved during the negotiation between him and the Filipino authorities. OK, I have NO evidence. DON'T ever ask me to provide any evidence to prove this is true. "Here is not a court. We don't need any evidence here.", quoted from a popular dialog of Miss Louise Lee Si-Kei(李司棋), a famous HK actress. If you've got pissed off by my words, send me an email, show me some evidences to prove my words are wrong instead. Ask the filipino government and see how they reply on it. Ask them, "Is there any money terms involved in negotiation process?", and see how they would answer.
Up to now, at 6:40pm of the 24th August of the year 2010, there is no any report or any single piece of word regarding the detailed negotiation process among the authorities and the hostage taker, and you shouldn't expect any true one will come out unless another miracle is made by god. The government had never told, and will never tell the truth to the media that the guy was actually asking for money and they refused him just because they want to save their pocket and reputation. The authorities also desire a beautiful step to get off the stage. According to a survived hostage, Mrs. Leung, who lost her husband and two children in the tragedy, keep asking that why the filipino government are not "paying money" to the hostage taker in various media interviews right after the incident. She was sitting in the fore part of the bus where the gunman usually stay, and perhaps she could hear some negotiation details (maybe some English words, such as "Money", was included in the gunman's tagalog phone conversations).
It is useless to say anything at this moment. So why am I speaking? Well, I want the victims, their families and the HK public to get a chance to study another possible side of the coin. I am a kind of person that, even if I die, I want my family knows why I actually die. I believe in justice. The information provided by the media may not be 100% reflecting the reality. There are still many underlying myths, especially in the details of the entire negotiation process that hasn't been uncovered. I am also extremely angry about that the president of this country is shirking his responsibility in such a non-sense, compassionless, violent, arrogant way, in his so-called press conference. However, no matter how he avoid, he cannot shirk the responsibility of the country's prolonged poverty and corruption problems.
As an ordinary Hong Kong people, I would like to express my sincere condolences to the victims' families. I sit by the TV during the entire kidnapping process, from day to night. I felt I was so weak that I couldn't do anything to save my own people's innocent lives, although it wouldn't be really difficult (simply by paying him money). I am also sorry for my poor English as I have no energy to type all these in Chinese. Another reason I am using english is that I hope this article can alert the rest of the world, especially the media to change their focus point on this tragedy, something more should be UNCOVERED!!!
So, all in all, what could probably give a chance to those 8 innocent people to get survive? What would I do if I were the person in charge? Simple. Put 1 million Peso cash notes, a compass and a map into the lunch boxes and send it to Mr. Mendoza, then move a car to the entrance of the bus with the door opened and a replacement hostage inside (to let him feel safe along his route of escape). You will see him driving, with a satisfaction face, heading south, rushing towards the most poorly ruled region of the country. Unfortunately, reality are always cruel. My assumption will never be happened. I couldn't sleep last night. So could you?
Author: a Filipino Chinese who grows up in HK.
(If you have any questions/feedbacks/comments on what I have posted here, please send an email to [email protected], I will post your feedback with my answer in this webpage, thank you.)

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有無人可以概括咁翻譯一下


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原帖由 susi1024169 於 10-8-25 18:25 發表
有無人可以概括咁翻譯一下


等我翻譯一下,陣間再Post上黎


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梁太以為個槍手為錢
睇番訪問
佢問「係咪為左錢?如果係為錢,點解唔比佢?」


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May I know the source of this article?


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要1million 披索啊?
經過計算後, 1000000 菲律賓披索 = 171650 港幣


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筆者係一個Filipino Chinese響香港長大, 段文字係想話, 當日如果歹徒得到100萬披索, 佢就會釋放所有人質然後向南部(國家管治最差的區域)逃走!

再蠢都諗到, 邊有人會用kidnap外國遊客呢個手法去要求復職做警察! 菲律賓係綁架之者, 國內每年有大大小小脅持人質事件, 佢遇到每一宗都係為錢, 而且大部份都係以中國人為目標!

佢認為政府一直都無披露談判內容就係因為佢地係點都唔會付出一分一毫去救人質! 而我地亦都唔洗諗會有一份true report話我地知當日談判內容! 當地人遇到太多綁架, 已經習以為常, 而佢地手法就係唔會拯救人質, 解釋到點解佢地d警察會咁樣行動, 同時亦解釋點解梁太對住傳媒一直都話歹徒係想要錢!!

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原帖由 emmypun 於 10-8-25 18:24 發表
The uncovered truth of the 823 tragedy in the Philippines --- It's all about Money. Before reading further, or you are too tired to read my long article, here are the 3 things I ...


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原帖由 tomoyama 於 10-8-25 18:04 發表
這也解釋到為何受害人梁太不繼哭訴:「點解佢地唔比錢佢…」

雖然係英文,但請大家也睇睇:

http://www.823tragedy.com/

原來錢比人質更重要

睇唔到ge用Firefox睇,Or睇下底小倩的回覆。 ...
no wonder Mrs Leung kept saying that....

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The uncovered truth of the 823 tragedy in the Philippines
--- It's all about Money.

Before reading further, or you are too tired to read my long article, here are the 3 things I wish any visitors would keep in mind:

• Don't be fooled by the filipino authorities and media. The hostage taker wants MONEY, but not the reinstatement of his job. Mr. Mendoza will leave all hostages alone (and alive), heading south, and never return to Manila, if he received a suitcase filled with 1 Million Peso cash notes.
• Be mature, be wise, and be strong. Admit that the Filipino authorities have NEVER think of keeping all hostages alive. There's NO GUARANTEE at all from the very beginning!!!! They won't pay a single dollar in exchange with the lives of the hostages. This is not reported because the Filipino authorities hide it IN PURPOSE!!!
• How many hostages were killed by the gunman, and how many were killed by the polices force? May god tell us the truth eventually.

Last updated: 12:30pm, 25 August 2010
Online since: 6:40pm, 24 August 2010

If you know me well, you would know that I don't like to speak. I mean I am talkative enough in front of real friends, but I hate to speak in front of public and strangers, no matter what happened and how struggling I was when some big events happened. But for this time, allow me to express my thoughts and feelings from very deep inner place of my heart. As a person with strong relationship to the Philippines, who have spent a few years childhood age in the country, I have something to say.

Firstly, I have to emphasize that, all the kidnappings happened in the Philippines, no matter the hostage takers were from well-organized anti-government guerilla, to your own private driver, it's the same. It's all about a simple single word - MONEY. Believe me or not, being living in the "Capitol of Kidnapping" for some years, all the kidnapping cases I've encountered, no matter in what situation, with what kind of background stories, that I have ever, ever heard about or encountered in person, were eventually asking for MONEY. However, I have to add that, it would be fair enough to say, the situation is much better now in 2010 despite there are still around over 100 cases/year in average, and unfortunately, most of the targeted hostages were Chinese people.

I am sorry to tell but the truth is, filipinos have already get used to this kind of kidnapping incidents. They also get used to the fact that hostages are commonly Chinese. So my friends, don't ask me any more questions like "why the filipino authorities/polices react so slow/stupid/act so dangerously"………etc. Come on, the answer is that they simply DON'T CARE about the lives inside the bus. PERIOD. It is just like how Hong Kong people get used to street demonstrations, filipinos get used to kidnappings. This can be proved by the irritating laughter you've heard during the live broadcast of the incident, and the disdain face of the new President of the Philippines, Aquino III when he had his site visit last night. I am not trying to trigger any racial hatred or whatever similar, I am just trying to tell the truth based on my understanding to this country. But I am sorry to say, you are too pure if you expect the filipino government or polices to react on this kind of situation as serious as that it is happening in Hong Kong or any other developed places. However, to be fair, I have to further emphasize that there is no real hatred on Chinese in the filipino world, the Philippines is not like Indonesia (link). Most of the Chinese lives there peacefully with the filipino people, although the former is dominating the country's economy. The Chinese community is already a indispensable part of the country. Perhaps, it is something more complicated than simple hatred. In a very little portion of filipino's heart, I would say, jealousy exists. However, i would assume that this is a normal phenomenon in the rest of the world, where poorer people will sometimes jealous richer people.

So, back on the incident, my very personal conclusion is, this hostage taker is simply asking for MONEY but not really the reinstatement of his job. I could not even reason it with my brain, so could you? Even he is the most stupid person in the world, would he ask for a reinstatement of a police position by an absolutely illegal kidnapping exercise???? NO!. Could you reason it? I think none of you could. It just simply doesn't make any sense.

The hostage taker was already 55, what he was looking for should be a retirement plan (this could be the ransom, or his original retirement benefits), but not a police job. Well, simple enough? In my opinion, his background, underlying stories, are all just a beautiful decal of his ugly, selfish kidnapping action. There MUST be MONEY TERMS involved during the negotiation between him and the Filipino authorities. OK, I have NO evidence. DON'T ever ask me to provide any evidence to prove this is true. "Here is not a court. We don't need any evidence here.", quoted from a popular dialog of Miss Louise Lee Si-Kei(李司棋), a famous HK actress. If you've got pissed off by my words, send me an email, show me some evidences to prove my words are wrong instead. Ask the filipino government and see how they reply on it. Ask them, "Is there any money terms involved in negotiation process?", and see how they would answer.

Up to now, at 6:40pm of the 24th August of the year 2010, there is no any report or any single piece of word regarding the detailed negotiation process among the authorities and the hostage taker, and you shouldn't expect any true one will come out unless another miracle is made by god. The government had never told, and will never tell the truth to the media that the guy was actually asking for money and they refused him just because they want to save their pocket and reputation. The authorities also desire a beautiful step to get off the stage. According to a survived hostage, Mrs. Leung, who lost her husband and two children in the tragedy, keep asking that why the filipino government are not "paying money" to the hostage taker in various media interviews right after the incident. She was sitting in the fore part of the bus where the gunman usually stay, and perhaps she could hear some negotiation details (maybe some English words, such as "Money", was included in the gunman's tagalog phone conversations).

It is useless to say anything at this moment. So why am I speaking? Well, I want the victims, their families and the HK public to get a chance to study another possible side of the coin. I am a kind of person that, even if I die, I want my family knows why I actually die. I believe in justice. The information provided by the media may not be 100% reflecting the reality. There are still many underlying myths, especially in the details of the entire negotiation process that hasn't been uncovered. I am also extremely angry about that the president of this country is shirking his responsibility in such a non-sense, compassionless, violent, arrogant way, in his so-called press conference. However, no matter how he avoid, he cannot shirk the responsibility of the country's prolonged poverty and corruption problems.

As an ordinary Hong Kong people, I would like to express my sincere condolences to the victims' families. I sit by the TV during the entire kidnapping process, from day to night. I felt I was so weak that I couldn't do anything to save my own people's innocent lives, although it wouldn't be really difficult (simply by paying him money). I am also sorry for my poor English as I have no energy to type all these in Chinese. Another reason I am using english is that I hope this article can alert the rest of the world, especially the media to change their focus point on this tragedy, something more should be UNCOVERED!!!

So, all in all, what could probably give a chance to those 8 innocent people to get survive? What would I do if I were the person in charge? Simple. Put 1 million Peso cash notes, a compass and a map into the lunch boxes and send it to Mr. Mendoza, then move a car to the entrance of the bus with the door opened and a replacement hostage inside (to let him feel safe along his route of escape). You will see him driving, with a satisfaction face, heading south, rushing towards the most poorly ruled region of the country. Unfortunately, reality are always cruel. My assumption will never be happened. I couldn't sleep last night. So could you?

Author: a Filipino Chinese who grows up in HK.

(If you have any questions/feedbacks/comments on what I have posted here, please send an email to [email protected], I will post your feedback with my answer in this webpage, thank you.)
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