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正處於徬徨沮喪皆段, 迷中中的入來, 看了1位姊妹的帖, 像有了明燈似的
希望能重新走神的路, 迷糊的日子好可怕

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美達露 thx 發表於 12-5-24 01:19

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美達露發表於 12-5-5 01:17
正處於徬徨沮喪皆段, 迷中中的入來, 看了1位姊妹的帖, 像有了明燈似的
希望能重新走神的路, 迷糊的日子好可 ...

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美達露 thx 發表於 12-5-24 01:19

回家，並不只因為能遮風避雨、吃飽喝暖；
回家，是因為那裡有愛。

「喜樂」從「感恩」開始

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主必引领妳，我亲爱的好姊妹！

仰望神的恩典......

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你好嗎？

你的恩典夠我用的（黃國倫）

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqzNtPs9WzU

歌詞的詞意摘自聖經歌林多後書 12
8 為這事，我三次求過主，叫這刺離開我。
9 他對我說：我的恩典夠你用的，因為我的能力是在人的軟弱上顯得完全。所以，我更喜歡誇自己的軟弱，好叫基督的能力覆庇我。
10 我為基督的緣故，就以軟弱、凌辱、急難、逼迫、困苦為可喜樂的；因我甚麼時候軟弱，甚麼時候就剛強了。

歌詞：
我的恩典夠你用的，我的恩典夠你用的，
因為我的能力，是在人的軟弱上，顯得完全，顯得完全，

你的恩典夠我用的，你的恩典夠我用的，
因為主的能力，是在人的軟弱上，顯得完全，顯得完全，

所以我要單單誇我的軟弱，好叫基督的能力覆庇我，
何時我軟弱，何時我就得剛強，喔！主的恩手，永不離開我。

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非常扎我的心。尤其在養育我女兒平安的不尋常的人生路上。我聽到喊。喊左好多鍋。

在我的禱告中紀念你和你一家！

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Bathy 發表於 12-5-5 12:00
主必引领妳，我亲爱的好姊妹！

謝謝你! 我正學習凡事交托.
衝擊不斷, 我會努力的

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你好嗎？

謝謝你的紀念
最近, 在我沉思的時候, 縱然知道答案, 也禁不住問: 祢的恩典真的夠我用嗎?
謝謝你給我的歌!

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咁問心O個句, 你覺得神有恩典, 神的恩典夠你用嗎?

如果天空總是黑暗的，那就摸黑生存；如果發出聲音是危險的，那就保持沉默；如果自覺無力發光的，那就蜷伏於牆角。但不要習慣了黑暗就為黑暗辯護；不要為自己的苟且而得意；不要嘲諷那些比自己更勇敢熱情的人們。我們可以卑微如塵土，不可扭曲如蛆蟲 - 曼德拉

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美達露發表於 12-5-24 01:40
謝謝你的紀念
最近, 在我沉思的時候, 縱然知道答案, 也禁不住問: 祢的恩典真的夠我用嗎?
謝謝你給我的歌!

神既恩典夠唔夠我用呢？我既經驗系在乎我心裡面看重既系乜啦。當我心靈的境地系先追求達到神既國同祂的義時（渴慕義），主的恩典就顯得夠我用。當我讓神的道存在我心裡時，神的恩典就顯得夠我用。

腓立比書 4:8
弟兄們，我還有未盡的話：凡是真實的、可敬的、公義的、清潔的、可愛的、有美名的，若有甚麼德行，若有甚麼稱讚，這些事你們都要思念。

除左主耶穌為我在十架上所做既贖罪祭來顯出神的確愛我，還會去為我在天父家裡預備了地方給我永遠享福既恩典外，其實都冇乜超自然定律既神跡奇事發生響我家。所謂既恩典就系主畀既諾言應許會來接我返天父身邊既盼望。夠我用系主的話語聖經教會我很多面對人生不如意事既心態夠我面對艱難做合神心意的選擇（走義路）。
每次風雨過後的陰天（很少有晴天，我的晴天是歸天家往後的日子呢）

，回望、、、在困苦中沒有犯罪，沒有穿，沒有爛，還有機會站出來同人傳耶穌基督的道，畀低檔基督的人當箭靶射，0甘咪即系神既恩典夠我用LOR。

中想會如何呢？終歸好過那些不信主的人又受著同我一樣的生活上的勞苦愁煩的人，他們勞碌過此短暫人生，過身後倒頭來還是因心硬著對神而自取滅忙。唉！

面對現實啦，若我渴求這生愁苦得挪移，得快樂，看來這並不是神的旨意。不是我不想要，而是暫時為止，我也看不到這是神的旨意。那麼我看到神要我有的是經練過後能結出平安的果子，就是義。

希伯來書 12:11
凡管教的事，當時不覺得快樂，反覺得愁苦；後來卻為那經練過的人結出平安的果子，就是義。
約翰一書 2:29
你們若知道他是公義的，就知道凡行公義之人都是他所生的。

願神的旨意成全，不是我的。

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ndw 發表於 12-5-26 14:02
神既恩典夠唔夠我用呢？我既經驗系在乎我心裡面看重既系乜啦。當我心靈的境地系先追求達到神既國同祂的義時 ...

1次又1次看你的回覆, 滿感謝你呢
點解你会咁清楚我境況的? 對! 你應該了解的
最近給我的經歷, 我不是埋怨神, 也沒有感謝衪, 所以, 唯有逃避祂. 當我負着重膽行得傷痕累累日子很少有晴天的時侯, 神在這時再加 1倍的重膽給我, 我確實暫時未能感謝衪

ndw, 假如, 神在你第2/3个小孩當中, 其中1個與平安1樣的情況的話, 你會不會即時感謝神呢?
我...暫時未能, 所以我逃避了1段時間. 現在想親近神, 卻總覺得力不從心很不自在. 但我会繼續祈禱的.

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本帖最後由 ndw 於 12-5-29 12:14 編輯

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“ndw, 假如, 神在你第2/3個小孩當中, 其中1個與平安1樣的情況的話, 你會不會即時感謝神呢? ”

即時感謝神？據我過去既經歷，即時感謝神就暫時未能喇。即時！

哭也來不及呢。剛同老公講了我這反應，老公說是我未夠屬靈0者，不代表即時感謝的人是精神

。

我聽後：噢！

老公講得有理。

至於埋怨神，我簡直認為我沒有資格埋怨神。0爹下天父，同啊爸喊苦喊乜講我不願意吃這苦杯就會有。會想，唔系化，父神你0甘睇重我，真認為我擔當得起話！同時要看住自己不要在此時犯罪，做出不合天父的旨意的事例如口出褻慢神的話語，心出惡計，行犯罪的事，墮胎，拋夫棄子，或自殺或一走了之等事情來。
（摘自聖經和合本）
詩篇 1 ：1-2
不從惡人的計謀，不站罪人的道路，不坐褻慢人的座位，
惟喜愛耶和華的律法，晝夜思想，這人便為有福！

總之還是願神的旨意成全吧。

當靠著主的話語日子一天一天的過，眼淚續漸續漸地少流了，等新生活又慢慢適應過來時，我至又一次经历到主恩夠用。

昨日星期天，我聽一位牧師朋友講見證，他說主的恩典真的夠用，話說他家有段時間只有太太一份part time 工作的收入，實是很快不夠用，神又有轉機供應，太太的半職被老板主動轉為全職。所以證明了主的恩典真的也可以套用在生活所需的事情上，並不是如有人說神的恩典單靠讀聖經而來的。
我心想，嚇！

，你屋企長期節儉到連洗澡用的花撒水都要調至放尿尿那麼細流量，還細過下雨時你家天棚的漏水喔！

你還可以說主恩主的恩典真的也可以套用在生活所需的事情上？

因為我和老公與此牧師朋友很熟，熟到去他家過夜洗澡都有。張唔知幾手 futon 睡痛我老公既腰骨。他家的难处我想我比在场的所有人都清楚。所以我覺得可能是我或他誤解了 “有人說神的恩典單靠讀聖經而來的”這說法。

在我經歷中，就是因為靠讀聖經而明白神的恩典和一切有關生命的事情後，才可以如這牧師朋友般無論在何處境當中都能看到 “主的恩典真的也可以套用在生活所需的事情上。”

如（摘自聖經和合本）
哈巴谷書 3 ：16-19
我聽見耶和華的聲音，身體戰兢，嘴唇發顫，骨中朽爛；我在所立之處戰兢。我只可安靜等候災難之日臨到，犯境之民上來。
雖然無花果樹不發旺，葡萄樹不結果，橄欖樹也不效力，田地不出糧食，圈中絕了羊，棚內也沒有牛；
然而，我要因耶和華歡欣，因救我的神喜樂。
主耶和華是我的力量；他使我的腳快如母鹿的蹄，又使我穩行在高處。

注：我和老公對這牧師朋友不是如以下這種“肢體”：
雅各書 2 : 15-17
若是弟兄或是姐妹，赤身露體，又缺了日用的飲食；
你們中間有人對他們說：「平平安安的去罷！願你們穿得暖，吃得飽」；卻不給他們身體所需用的，這有甚麼益處呢？
這樣，信心若沒有行為就是死的。

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以下我會張貼由我老公寫的：“主的恩典夠我用” 的讀聖經和自身信徒生活感想。用英文寫，很長篇。

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My grace is sufficient

{A pastor friend of mine made a comment in a church service similar to many remarks from others that I think odd. He commented about a bad time for him and his family being out of income and savings getting low. Then a position opened up for his wife to take. My friend credited God for this opportunity and said it was an example of II Corinthians 12 at work, how God's grace was sufficient for him. If he was referring to before his wife received the job and how they kept trusting in God, then it makes sense, otherwise it doesn't make sense. It would be taking the meaning of "my grace is sufficient for you" out of context.

Please look closely at the context with me. The apostle Paul is speaking here.}

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2 Corinthians 12:1-12

Boasting is necessary, though it is not profitable; but I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a man was caught up to the third heaven. And I know how such a man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows— was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak. On behalf of such a man I will boast; but on my own behalf I will not boast, except in regard to my weaknesses. For if I do wish to boast I will not be foolish, for I will be speaking the truth; but I refrain from this, so that no one will credit me with more than he sees in me or hears from me.

{As seen above Paul had received or knew about some very special revelations outside of our scriptures. That is the background for what follows . . . }

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Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me—to keep me from exalting myself! Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me. And He has said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.” Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ’s sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.

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{This passage has nothing to do with getting a need filled by God. Notice Paul had a problem and he prayed three times for it to be taken away. The answer from God was no. The problem was not removed. God told him "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." In other words, My goodness is all you need to get you through this and as a result of this you and others will see My power. Well, what does that mean? When we are experiencing difficulties beyond our control, yet we trust God and keep our faithful attitude despite the difficulty, our faith gets the credit and God gets the credit for maintaining our faith. It leads to God's power - not in a 'miracle' removing the problem, rather in the 'miracle' of God producing and keeping our faith. This is a great source of power for it leads to the salvation of others. They see our persistent faith and realize that the faith is real. Therefore, it must be based on something real. After all, it appears easy to have faith when everything is going your way, but not when things are hard. And everyone faces difficulties, so they relate to that. Then believers seeing your faith in difficult moments are encouraged, or if they are an unbelievers, they are amazed and may want to understand the reason for your persistent faith. It leads to opportunities for salvation. God's power is seen in your weakness.

So, next time you go through a difficult time, instead of asking God, "Why are you letting me be troubled?" or "Why are you punishing me?" you should look at it as a case where God's goodness will get you through it and good opportunities may arise leading to the salvation of others. Christians! Don't forget. You are God's servant; He has a role for each of you in your life and that includes the salvation and encouragement of others as well as your self. One benchmark of a mature Christian is the joy they experience as a result of seeing how God is using them for His glory. That should be what all Christians want. We often pray for it, but when opportunity for it occurs as a result of a difficult situation, some try to run away. They might even think God is not being good to them. I know about this. I have done it many times.

In my next post, I will compare four examples of this in the bible.}

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{Here are four lessons from the bible of people who had opportunity to show God's grace was sufficient for them and God's power could be shown through their weakness.

Lesson One: Job}

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Job 1:8
The Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil.

Job 1:13-22
Now on the day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother’s house, a messenger came to Job and said, “The oxen were plowing and the donkeys feeding beside them, and the Sabeans attacked and took them. They also slew the servants with the edge of the sword, and I alone have escaped to tell you.” While he was still speaking, another also came and said, “ The fire of God fell from heaven and burned up the sheep and the servants and consumed them, and I alone have escaped to tell you.” While he was still speaking, another also came and said, “The Chaldeans formed three bands and made a raid on the camels and took them and slew the servants with the edge of the sword, and I alone have escaped to tell you.” While he was still speaking, another also came and said, “Your sons and your daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother’s house, and behold, a great wind came from across the wilderness and struck the four corners of the house, and it fell on the young people and they died, and I alone have escaped to tell you.”

Then Job arose and tore his robe and shaved his head, and he fell to the ground and worshiped. He said,

“ Naked I came from my mother’s womb,
And naked I shall return there.
The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away.
Blessed be the name of the Lord.”
Through all this Job did not sin nor did he blame God.

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本帖最後由 ndw 於 12-6-5 07:08 編輯

{And all I can say is "wow!" Job is my hero. He suffered all these things suddenly, without having opportunity to digest what has happened and the possible reasons. They occur immediately one after the other. Yet, he kept his faith and did not point blame at God. There is more to the story, but the story of Job is there for a reason, just as these things happened to him for a reason. After all, God did not raise the dead here, so some things were never brought back for Job. However, we have this story today to encourage us when we go through adversity. God has His reasons for allowing these things to happen to us. Who knows. Perhaps what is happening to you right now is for the good of future generations. What a way to serve God! }

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{
Lesson Two:
The Rich Young Ruler
}

Mark 10:17-22

As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. You know the commandments, ‘ Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’” And he said to Him, “Teacher, I have kept all these things from my youth up.” Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, “One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” But at these words he was saddened, and he went away grieving, for he was one who owned much property.

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