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大家信唔信64另一個真相？ [複製鏈接]

nativisn

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發表於 12-3-30 11:16 |只看該作者 |倒序瀏覽 |打印

維基解密在今年的六四前夕，公開了3份美國的外交電報，證實美國原來早知六四當天，天安門廣場未有發生屠殺。

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwKx02ClIA8&feature=related

西班牙記者跟著死守學生在六四凌晨4點廣場熄燈後直到清晨後7點的真實情況。

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjz-6EdjPi8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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cc89cc89 請睇內文發表於 12-6-4 23:41

caramelpudding 詳情請參閱英國電訊報內文,唔係淨係睇個報導標題或睇YOUTUBE嘅剪片發表於 12-3-30 13:15

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yingka

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本帖最後由 yingka 於 12-3-30 11:31 編輯

我只係知天安門冇死人唔等於北京城冇死人

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elyseluk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-F-dOPK4B8 發表於 12-6-4 15:52

Henrymama

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banbanmm

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畀面勳章

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當年已經有留守的香港記話天安門冇開槍，但北京軍隊鎮壓係一個事實，只不過地點唔係天安門。

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shpfamily

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發表於 12-3-30 12:16 |只看該作者

但D人係比坦克車碌過架喎!

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E_gold8806

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發表於 12-3-30 12:51 |只看該作者

點解d人又唔要日本平反南京大屠殺?

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naysayer 你知唔知你自己講緊咩野.. 發表於 12-6-5 12:30

青青河邊草

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elyseluk :;pppp: 發表於 12-6-4 15:53

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發表於 12-3-30 13:00 |只看該作者

如果是真的就最好了. 只事只證明美國對中國幾好呢 ?

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caramelpudding

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發表於 12-3-30 13:08 |只看該作者

正綜標題黨, 斷章取義

不如睇下嗰條youtube入面引指嘅

"維基解密向英國的<每日電訊報>"原文係點寫?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html

Wikileaks: no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square, cables claim
Secret cables from the United States embassy in Beijing have shown there was no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square when China put down student pro-democracy demonstrations 22 years ago.
Students link arms to hold back angry crowds from chasing a group of retreating soldiers Photo: AP Photo/Mark Avery
By Malcolm Moore, Shanghai
8:00AM BST 04 Jun 2011

The cables, obtained by WikiLeaks and released exclusively by The Daily Telegraph, partly confirm the Chinese government's account of the early hours of June 4, 1989, which has always insisted that soldiers did not massacre demonstrators inside Tiananmen Square.

Instead, the cables show that Chinese soldiers opened fire on protesters outside the centre of Beijing, as they fought their way towards the square from the west of the city.

Three cables were sent from the US embassy on June 3, in the hours leading up to the suppression, as diplomats realised that the final showdown between the protesters and soldiers was looming.

The cables described the "10,000 to 15,000 helmeted armed troops" moving into the city, some of whom were "carrying automatic weapons".

Meanwhile, "elite airborne troops" and "tank units" were said to be moving up from the south.

The army came up against "an elaborate system of blockades", described in a cable from May 21, 1989, which allowed students to "control much of central Beijing".

Diplomats observed that "there were buses turned sideways to form roadblocks" and students had vowed the army would not be able to cross. "But we doubt it", one cable added. Students also used teams of motorcycle couriers to communicate with the roadblocks, sending reinforcements where needed.

As the troops moved in, the cables stated that diplomatic staff were repeatedly warned to "stay at home" unless involved in front-line reporting. "The situation in the centre of the city is very confused," said a cable from June 3. "

olitical officers at the Beijing Hotel reported that troops are pushing a large crowd east on Chang'an avenue. Although these troops appear not to be firing on the crowd, they report firing behind the troops coming from the square".

Inside the square itself, a Chilean diplomat was on hand to give his US counterparts an eyewitness account of the final hours of the pro-democracy movement.

"He watched the military enter the square and did not observe any mass firing of weapons into the crowds, although sporadic gunfire was heard. He said that most of the troops which entered the square were actually armed only with anti-riot gear – truncheons and wooden clubs; they were backed up by armed soldiers," a cable from July 1989 said.

The diplomat, who was positioned next to a Red Cross station inside Tiananmen Square, said a line of troops surrounded him and "panicked" medical staff into fleeing. However, he said that there was "no mass firing into the crowd of students at the monument".

According to internal Communist party files, released in 2001, 2,000 soldiers from the 38th army, together with 42 armoured vehicles, began slowly sweeping across the square from north to south at 4.30am on June 4. At the time, around 3,000 students were sitting around the Monument to the People's Heroes on the southern edge of the giant square, near Chairman Mao's mausoleum.

Leaders of the protest, including Liu Xiaobo, the winner of last year's Nobel Peace prize, urged the students to depart the square, and the Chilean diplomat relayed that "once agreement was reached for the students to withdraw, linking hands to form a column, the students left the square through the south east corner." The testimony contradicts the reports of several journalists who were in Beijing at the time, who described soldiers "charging" into unarmed civilians and suggests the death toll on the night may be far lower than the thousands previously thought.

In 2009, James Miles, who was the BBC correspondent in Beijing at the time, admitted that he had "conveyed the wrong impression" and that "there was no massacre on Tiananmen Square. Protesters who were still in the square when the army reached it were allowed to leave after negotiations with martial law troops [ ...] There was no Tiananmen Square massacre, but there was a Beijing massacre".

Instead, the fiercest fighting took place at Muxidi, around three miles west of the square, where thousands of people had gathered spontaneously on the night of June 3 to halt the advance of the army.

According to the Tiananmen Papers, a collection of internal Communist party files, soldiers started using live ammunition at around 10.30pm, after trying and failing to disperse the crowd with tear gas and rubber bullets. Incredulous, the crowd tried to escape but were hampered by its own roadblocks.

The cables also reveal the extent to which the student democracy protests had won popular support, and how for several weeks the protesters effectively occupied the whole of central Beijing, posing an existential challenge to the Communist party.

One cable, from May 21, 1989, reports that an anonymous caller had told the US consulate in Shenyang that Ni Zhifu, the chairman of China's labour unions, had condemned martial law in the capital and warned that unless the students were treated with more respect he would lead a general workers' strike that would cripple China.

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sum-910

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發表於 12-3-30 14:11 |只看該作者

當年香港人共籌得差不多2千萬港元，李卓人代表支聯會把其中100萬港人捐款送到北京時被拘留，迫簽悔過書，三日後才獲釋，而款項100萬元被北京當局全數沒收。

其他捐款到底去了哪裡？是否李卓人私吞了？？

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wonderlulu

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發表於 12-3-30 14:13 |只看該作者

其實個VIDEO都好有目標剪輯,

講廣東話, 但SHADE晒原文? 係真實就唔好遮掩啦。

用英文原文托底, 係上面HIGH LIGHT就得啦, 做乜多此一句剪到斷線禾蟲咁貼返出嚟? 斷章取義

咁討論乜野真相呢?

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chen0717

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本帖最後由 picc 於 12-3-30 18:49 編輯

溫家寶自己都話要平反六四啦，都唔明點解還會有人信這些所謂的真相！

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picc 發表於 12-3-30 18:35
溫家寶自己都話要平反六四啦，都唔明點解還會有人信這些所謂的真相！ ...

有架，呢幾年仲有五毛黨話六四係西方捏造出黎的事

連當年文匯報都有整特刊講屠殺(我有一本)，呢班五毛的居心路人皆見

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imconfusing so sad..... 發表於 12-6-5 00:57

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有0西0甘多相片為證，軍隊鎮壓殺人一定有，0係0甘短時間內點可能捏造0甘多被槍殺市民學生的相片，而且有大量人證物證....不過死幾多人就真係要調查過至知。

[img align=left]C:\my documents\IMG_1427_1_1_1[/img] [img align=right]C:\my documents\DSCN1156 10-04-2004_1_4_1[/img]

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有人同我講過話六四比坦克車死果d漢奸抵死，真係想一把車埋佢度

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認識瑞士牛牛第一回

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sum-910 發表於 12-3-30 14:11
當年香港人共籌得差不多2千萬港元，李卓人代表支聯會把其中100萬港人捐款送到北京時被拘留，迫簽悔過書，三 ...

係喎, 個1千9百萬去左邊

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大家信唔信64另一個真相？

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今年64特別怪, 勁多鱔稿

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多謝你呢條片，證明六四事件中無論係天安門、木樨地、長安街等都無死過人，無傷過一個人... 所有學生都係和平撤出，中共趕走學生時，非常克制、理性，實在展現了大國央央的風度！

一定係咁喇，所有同六四有關的片段同相片，一定全部都係捏造出黎的。嘩d 人咁都造假，陷我最偉大的中國共產黨於不義，真係太無恥啦！

原來天安門母親、在場所有文字、攝影、電視台記者、書籍「人民不會忘記」所有作者、當時聲稱目擊殺人的市民、學生，倖存學生 (如聲稱被坦克壓爛雙腿的民運人士方政) 全部都係作假見證，是騙子！佢地全部都係同外國勢力勾結的！多得美國同西方國家o係背後搞搞震！想我國倒台！多謝你讓我認識事實的真相啊！我地應該杯葛呢d 不知所謂的西方國家！以後唔好再去呢d 國家旅行，同埋唔好同呢d 國家的商戶做生意！同埋應該睇下可唔可以民事控告所有作假的人和機構 (如支聯會) 誹謗我最偉大的中國共產黨！