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或者大家用聖經的教導來說出 “因信稱義”的意思。

不信聖經是神所默示寫成的人，請勿插喔。

"信心若沒有行為就是死的" 再解釋 “因信稱義”的意思。

雅各書 2
8 經上記著說：「要愛人如己。」你們若全守這至尊的律法，才是好的。

9 但你們若按外貌待人，便是犯罪，被律法定為犯法的。

10 因為凡遵守全律法的，只在一條上跌倒，他就是犯了眾條。

11 原來那說「不可姦淫」的，也說「不可殺人」；你就是不姦淫，卻殺人，仍是成了犯律法的。

12 你們既然要按使人自由的律法受審判，就該照這律法說話行事。

13 因為那不憐憫人的，也要受無憐憫的審判；憐憫原是向審判誇勝。

14 我的弟兄們，若有人說自己有信心，卻沒有行為，有甚麼益處呢？這信心能救他麼？

15 若是弟兄或是姐妹，赤身露體，又缺了日用的飲食；

16 你們中間有人對他們說：「平平安安的去罷！願你們穿得暖，吃得飽」；卻不給他們身體所需用的，這有甚麼益處呢？

17 這樣，信心若沒有行為就是死的。

18 必有人說：「你有信心，我有行為；你將你沒有行為的信心指給我看，我便藉著我的行為，將我的信心指給你看。」

19 你信神只有一位，你信的不錯；鬼魔也信，卻是戰驚。

20 虛浮的人哪，你願意知道沒有行為的信心是死的麼？

21 我們的祖宗亞伯拉罕把他兒子以撒獻在壇上，豈不是因行為稱義麼？

22 可見，信心是與他的行為並行，而且信心因著行為才得成全。

23 這就應驗經上所說：「亞伯拉罕信神，這就算為他的義。」他又得稱為神的朋友。

24 這樣看來，人稱義是因著行為，不是單因著信。

25 妓女喇合接待使者，又放他們從別的路上出去，不也是一樣因行為稱義麼？

26 身體沒有靈魂是死的，信心沒有行為也是死的。

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翻譯?

由沒有人想讀我先前所留的言的中文翻譯呢？
可能要等久些才有。

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If it is from the bible, how can it be cult?

If it is from the bible, how can it be cult?

如果是從聖經裡出來的，會是異端嗎？

正在思考中。

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恩典、信心、與行為 -- 5

A: What is the definition of work? how do we tell we have work that produce by our faith?

B: When we have godly works, then that work will agree with the Holy Spirit who is in us. We don't know the Holy Spirit's will apart from the scriptures. Of course, there are plenty of times when we are called by the Spirit to do something good that is not specifically referred to in the scriptures. But the general idea or the principle should be in the scriptures. There would not be any "new" good works. An example of this is when Jesus was told by his disciples that they saw someone casting out demons in His name who were not from them. He was glad and said that no one can cast out demons unless the Spirit is with them. The principle is this: casting out demons is always a good work. However, this is really casting out demons and really with Jesus' authority. There is another example to contrast this in Acts. There some Jewish men saw Paul cast out demons and they tried to do the same thing in Jesus name, but they were not followers of Jesus. They tried to cheat. However, the demons said they knew Jesus, they knew Paul, but "Who are you?" And the demons beat these men up. (That is one time when I am applauding the demons.)

Also keep in mind that what the world defines as a 'good work' is not always the same as what the Bible defines as a good work.

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恩典、信心、與行為 -- 4

......... to continue ...........

B
: That is right. Just like baking a certain cake with 3 ingredients. If you bake it without the three you end up with something else. Grace is the ingredient that starts the process toward salvation and glues the three ingredients together. Not only is there grace supplied in initially saving a person, but there is grace supplied in keeping a person saved and helping them grow. However, this is only true if we continue to supply the faith ingredient. Then, our spirit is in agreement with the Holy Spirit and we will continue to march toward salvation in heaven forever.

A: What is the definition of work? how do we tell we have work that produce by our faith?

.................. to be continue , please go to next page. page 2 ...........

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恩典、信心、與行為 -- 3

A
: Does Ephesians and James refer to different elements of salvation and righteousness?

B
: No. Many times people concentrate on the wrong elements.

In Ephesians, you should focus on two elements: Grace and Works, fade out the Faith because it supplements the Grace. The point of that scripture is to contrast saving by Grace vs. saving by Works. We are saved by Grace, but not Grace alone, because it is Grace through Faith. On the other hand, Works alone does not save us.

In James, there is no contradiction with Ephesians. The point there is that the saved through Faith and justified by their Works. The Works of a person are proof that the person has Faith. That is all they are - proof. They are not the reason for our salvation, otherwise we would be getting a reward. Another way of saying it is to work backwards like this: the works are a natural by-product of our faith which is the result of the grace from God.

A: So in order for a person to be saved or be made right, there will be 3 elements combined together : God's grace through Jesus, a person's faith in Jesus and work that produced by their faith.

B
: That is right.

......... to be continue ...........

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恩典、信心、與行為 -- 2

A: is someone who is saved equal to someone that is called righteous? OR does being saved = being called righteous?

B
: yes, they both are the same thing.

A
: Why both meanings are the same?

B
: a person can only be saved if they are made right with God (in His eyes). Also, if a person is made right, then they will be saved. How can someone who is made right be lost?

A
: What does "is made right" means?

B
: well, God does not see that person as a lost sinner anymore, but a righteous saved person, because their sins are nailed to the cross.

A = 858D : :idea: 領悟了

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恩典、信心、與行為 -- 1

耶穌的恩典、我們的信心與好行為.......

仍在反思與思考中。不如我去問問，當然問那些一樣信聖經是神所默示的主內弟兄姐妹喔。以下的 A 君是 858D 。 B 就是 B 君喔。

日後有空再翻成中文給大家讀讀。

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