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複式洋房

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發表於 09-12-27 17:57 |只看該作者
My maid has been working for us for 6 years, I have been using her even before I got married. Now I have a 4 years old daughter and she has been taking care of her and us since she's born. She used to be very good, ie. honest, loves my girl, cares about us. We basically treat her like part of our family and even bring her to different places for holiday, including Phuket, Cebu, Singapore... stay in all 5 stars hotels with us, order any food for her as she likes with room service. I gave her tons of clothes every year, some of them even brands and never wear.

However, she slowly changed. She becomes lazy about cleaning, I have cats so intensive cleaning is necessary(well, maybe she's getting older now - 43) my place is full of dust, the side of my bed, the wooden blinds....everywhere....even my desk, there was times that my coffee spilled on my desk, the mark was sitting there for more than a month. The clothes that I have changed were sitting on my chair for weeks without being tidy up/ washed....etc. If I told her to do things ie. ask her to tidy up my wore clothes sitting on my chair, she would tell me she's too busy....the clothes inside my drawer are always wrinkled, I can't even pull one out and put it on immediately. I told her to tidy my drawers she said she's too busy...so I did it myself and told her that I have done it and pls keep it how it is. She answered me that 'It's still full!' And I was really upset, so I told her it's not about full or not, but tidy it. Then she has a long face. She never showed me long face before, but in the past year, she has been showing me a lot of long face.

Honestly, we are a family with two adults and a 4 years old kid, and my kid goes to school for 3 hours a day. We dun eat breakfast and lunch at home but just dinner. You know what, now I have to hire part time maid to do the house cleaning twice a week to keep it how I want!

Whenever we have longer holidays, she asks to go back home (on her own expenses) In 2009, she went back 3 times!! Including Christmas holiday! She has been sick lately and went to the hospital for three nights....they found she has 2 uterine fibroids (big ones) which press against her bladder which causing her a difficulty to release urine and she needs to use tubes to release it sometimes....but she refused to do surgery... anyways, she was worry and crying... I told her that I will take care of her if she needs to do surgery, dun worry, just a few weeks you will be healthy again....but seems surgery is not what she wants.

Anyway, back to her attitude, she shows an annoying facial gesture to me when I told her to do things especially cleaning and tidying up things in the house. I just duno what to do....should I let her go or talk to her seriously? But I duno how to tell her and with what attitude....moms, please help.

[ 本帖最後由 Danielle 於 10-3-29 12:07 編輯 ]


複式洋房

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32#
發表於 10-5-5 23:57 |只看該作者
eventually signed one today! Never work in HK, 31 years old 5 year+ in Middle East then back home to have baby, now her baby almost 3yrs. Hope she's good. But takes two months to apply....sigh


民房

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31#
發表於 10-5-4 23:05 |只看該作者
Everybody are the same, people will get lazy after doing the job for a long time, just like you and me! So change to the new one!!


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30#
發表於 10-5-4 21:30 |只看該作者
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複式洋房

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29#
發表於 10-5-4 13:47 |只看該作者
update:

We decided to let her go as the whole thing is just dragging us to hell. She starts doing bad things thinking we won't get rid of her. So, we decided to keep clam and look/ apply for a new maid, letting her know she will be dismissed by the end of June (her contract expires in Dec). I will give her long service even she has been working for us less then 5 years (4.5yrs for our family and other years at my parents). We are now paying her $4200/ month but $3580 in our contract. So, how do I calculate her long service? $3580 x 2/3 x 4.5 or $4200 x 2/3 x 4.5? She's now back to home to do her Voodoo treatment and will be back tonight.....sigh, should we tell her right after she came back or after we found a new maid? Please advice...

[ 本帖最後由 Danielle 於 10-5-4 13:49 編輯 ]


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28#
發表於 10-3-29 12:18 |只看該作者
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複式洋房

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27#
發表於 10-3-29 12:10 |只看該作者
oh sorry, I have sep. my msg into a few paragraphs.


原帖由 ahusband 於 10-3-29 10:13 發表
樓主打字唔分段好難睇...


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26#
發表於 10-3-29 10:22 |只看該作者
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發表於 10-3-29 10:13 |只看該作者
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複式洋房

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24#
發表於 10-3-29 02:55 |只看該作者
原帖由 SandraLo 於 09-12-27 19:53 發表


會唔會係搏炒想攞長期服務金?

I think so


男爵府

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23#
發表於 10-3-28 21:31 |只看該作者
I think u should really let her go asap before she changes her mind or go to labour office. In your case, maybe you can give her 1 month salary extra for the 1 month notice + the long term service payment!

I think it's hard to handle the situation when you a working full-time. Can any of your relative help you? Can you ask your part-time to come more frequent to clean the house and hire another local ee to take care of your girl?

My son is 4. I send him to 2 schools...(hehe...although I am a full-time mom and I have a maid now.)

In the morning, my son goes to 3 hours school mon-fri. and in the afternoon, I send him to another school (3hrs) for mon, wed and fri! so when i had no maid (my last maid left and it took 2 months for the new one to come), I was still ok! What you need to do is to ask someone (A relative or a part time local helper) to feed your girl lunch then send her to school in the afternoon again.

Our new maid has been with us for 3 wks! she is 37 and after reading your case, I worry that mine might end up getting ill like yours! My husband has been telling me that she didn't look too fit!!

原帖由 Danielle 於 10-3-28 21:01 發表
Edsie:
She's a good maid, even now I still think she is good, just maybe sometimes she doesn't feel comfortable or she has been with us for too long and forgot her own position. Honestly, I am very u ...


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發表於 10-3-28 21:06 |只看該作者
原帖由 Danielle 於 10-3-28 21:01 發表
Edsie:
She's a good maid, even now I still think she is good, just maybe sometimes she doesn't feel comfortable or she has been with us for too long forgot her own position. Honestly, I am very willi ...

Too bad, she once was a good maid, but too many bad friends teaching her this and that.
You better pay her 1 month and air ticket and let her go. But I'm sure she will go to Labour Dept. to sue you this and that etc...


複式洋房

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21#
發表於 10-3-28 21:01 |只看該作者
Edsie:
She's a good maid, even now I still think she is good, just maybe sometimes she doesn't feel comfortable or she has been with us for too long and forgot her own position. Honestly, I am very unwilling to let her go. My situation is that I can't have no maid coz I am a working mom.....so I must find another helper before send her home. ai....what a bad luck for both of us.

[ 本帖最後由 Danielle 於 10-3-28 21:02 編輯 ]


男爵府

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20#
發表於 10-3-28 20:54 |只看該作者
I think she was once a good maid, so she deserves the long term service payment as she has worked for u for 6 yrs!

If I were you, I will let her go home asap and find a new maid! Maybe u can agree with her that both the employer and employee (a muture agreement) that no 1 month notice is needed....so that she can go home asap (you dont need to pay her 1 month extra salary and she also doesn't owe u 1 month salary)....




原帖由 Danielle 於 10-3-28 20:21 發表
The newest update on this case....
She had scheduled a surgery at Eastern Hospital on 17 March and she surrendered the surgery opportunity!!! Instead she told me that she wanted to go back home to do ...


複式洋房

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19#
發表於 10-3-28 20:21 |只看該作者

update

The newest update on this case....
She had scheduled a surgery at Eastern Hospital on 17 March and she surrendered the surgery opportunity!!! Instead she told me that she wanted to go back home to do it but the OBGYN doctor was out town so can't make appointment. Yesterday, she came to me and asked me what do I want to do? I said: It's not about what do I want to do, it's what do you want to do?????
She said she doesn't want to do surgery....but "chi kung" OMG she said only a few day will heal her if I let her go back home to do it.....I was so pissed. I told her I don't believe any of these alternative treatments but western medicine.

4 doctors confirmed that she needs surgery including my own brother in law from the States, and she told me she still want to do the 'chi kung' first and if not working, schedule surgery at home and go back again. This is outrageous!!!!! She thinks she can come and go for a few months from this job as she wants. So I told her if she doesn't get it treated, I probably won't renew her contract which ends in Dec this year because it's a too big of a responsibility for me to bear.

I will be willing to treat her without any conditions just as long as she can get rid of this sickness but she's so stubborn. Then she cried saying she understands that and if I want her to leave earlier its ok, too. I said to her that I want her to stay with us but she leaves me no choice. I told her if she got it treated and make sure everything is fine, I will have her back but who knows how long does it take!! So I said if you can find someone who will be willing to work for a few months for me and when you are fine, I apply you again. She said ok. But no one is willing to do that of course….. After discussed with my husband, we agreed to terminate her (of course ask her to resign instead) but give her the long service payment early. What do you think?

[ 本帖最後由 Danielle 於 10-3-29 12:09 編輯 ]


大宅

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18#
發表於 10-1-21 18:05 |只看該作者
Danielle, I think you are a super kind and high tolerance employer already. From what you have said, you have been treating her extremely well and seems she is taking advantage of your kindness. Cleaning the house is her basic duty, how could she not do it well and require you to hire a part-time to do the work - this is completely unaccetable already. My maid has been with me for 3 years already and her bad habits started to apprear right after the contract was renewed. she was really good in the first two years and that's why we renewed her ... I really regret! Her irresponsbilities are driving me crazy. One night simply because she was sleepy herself, she did not feed my baby girl who was only 8 months old. One other time, my baby also suffocated because she was left alone on the bed while the maid was using her phone for personal use. I really think we employers should not treat the maids too well, they will not treasure it and treat us well in return. They just want money!

I think you should encourage or even force her to proceed with the surgery and then terminate her contract. I doubt she is fit to continue working for you with the optimum standards.

Better protect yourself!


複式洋房

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發表於 10-1-21 16:00 |只看該作者
I called the Labour Dept. They said I can terminate her by compensating her as what the law required. But whether she will sue me for discrimination is another story......why like that....we really have no protection from the government. In this case, I m even willing to pay for all her medical expenses but it's her decision for not getting treated....and I AM RESPONSIBLE?????? I discriminate? Gosh.....god bless us employers.

[ 本帖最後由 Danielle 於 10-1-21 16:02 編輯 ]


大宅

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16#
發表於 10-1-16 23:49 |只看該作者
The doctor will not write this kind of wording, they will said she is fit for work (I have a case before), it is much more better because I can terminate her right now.


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發表於 10-1-16 20:53 |只看該作者
[quote]原帖由 eatcookies 於 10-1-16 20:18 發表
"unfit for further service".[/quote]

This is very good point, but I doubt whether doctors actually issue such certificates so easily.


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發表於 10-1-16 20:45 |只看該作者
I pity you the thread starter for your situation. If she isn't sick the problem can be easily solved by terminating her while paying the long service payment she's entitled. Frankly, whether she opts to do surgery may not affect much about her ability to work as normal in the coming 10 months. The more important is: she has the right to her own personal decision (surgery or not), which is personal and you cannot compel anyway.

If she doesn't go for surgery, yes, her health will be getting worse.

If she undergoes surgery, she would recover. Mind you, surgery is risk contained and the world's full of unexpecteds...! Even if she recovers gradually, in the months that come she may need to bed rest or take sick leave, (which doesn't make much difference cuz her existence by then will be a liability to your family). So don't bother yourself to convince her to undergo surgery. I think you are left with not many choices (cuz in the end you are going to lose some money one way or teh other). but given so much limitation under the law, you can try to analyse it to her seriously and sincerely.

Have heard a similar case that happened with another BK mom here. That mom offered the sick maid to do surgeries and let her go home (Philippine) taking sick leaves (with salary payment following the Labour ORdinance) which will be only halfly or two-thirdly paid if sick leave is taken up to a certain limit. Better check it out! ). When the maid totally recovered and returned to the employer (no sickness at all), the mom terminated the maid. This might be a better choice among the limited choices left for you.

But, of course, it would be simple to have herself quitting the job (that is, she resigns) and to negotiate with her a price (in addition to the long service payment she's entitled) at which she is willing to go. But this point is rather difficult. With this, negotiation skill is highly called for. HAve to be cautious that you do not cross the line of the ordinance, and your position is to reach mutual agreement between the two sides, yet without any sign of compelling or urging on your side.

Wish you can have this resolved very soon!

[ 本帖最後由 pollyw 於 10-1-16 23:10 編輯 ]

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