Actually not much value arguing who started the war. We small potatoes can only speculate...only insiders know the truth. One thing for sure was there were too much dirty politics involved making no people with the right mind proud but only fearful and hugely dissapointed. The scandals, accusations, denials and seemingly inappropriate interventions making this more like a soap opera, clouding the issues in substance, causing this election ineffective. Spectators' emotions are also running too high to enable them to filter through all the clutters and find issues are of the greatest substance. With HK so divided, whoever wins the position this round will have a very rocky beginning. I'd be very surprised if HK will become more stable and harmonious than before. It would be a better deal for HK if it ended up having an aborted election, allowing other viable candidates with mutual acceptance from both forces to bring HK back to harmony.
To say "...The Tang Camp DP realized too late that the opposition camp has been using all its vigor to win at all cost. Now they are trying to use equal amount if not more vigor to get even..." doesn't look fair to me.
Rather, it's Tang joined handed with Tsang gov to accuse Leung re Western Kowloon case first. Then, the war was sparked off. (PS. Rumor now says, Tsang gov and the tycoons like Wharf had secret affairs in Western Kowloon dev project. But, rumor, no proof. So, at least for now, should give benefit of doubt)
Earlier this week, people close to the game realize that Leung will for sure get the CE crown. The unknown is how many votes. Tang Camp and DP adjust tactics to demolish Leung's public support - stir up public fear and anxiety. But the price is far too high. HK, as you said, is torn into the extreme.
Delimama, I'm only trying to apply my processes and controls analytical skills to political affairs at the beginer level. Happy to find that my brain isn't too rusty yet, but sad to realize that HK is likely walking into a mountain of risks.
The Tang Camp DP realized too late that the opposition camp has been using all its vigor to win at all cost. Now they are trying to use equal amount if not more vigor to get even. I think the underlying reason is fear and I think their fear is not unfounded. There are already strong signs that "standard practices" of "the other culture" is already operating in full force. People don't change overnight. Cultures don't change overnight. So it's not unreasonable for some people to feel really scared.
I agree with you that the chance of an aborted election is slim. There probably aren't enough election committee members gutsy enough to say no to the big boys in Beijing, so the few who had openly said no has my deepest respect. But at least no one will stop people from showing their disapproval of this dirty game during the 3.23 civil referendum. Like I said before, if people don't say no to dirty politics this round, it will probably set the stage for dirty politics to dictate future elections. Dirty politics will become the new norm.
HK has long been considered a lucky place. Let's pray that it'll continue that way for the sake of our future generations.
My only different view is about the aborted election. Do you really believe an aborted election will happen? My take is yes if it is a universal suffrage, but no in current 1200 election committee game.
I tend to think Tang Camp and DP see aborted election a bonus; but the underlying agenda of Tang Camp is to wear down Leung's public support , to make him start with a weak government, to hinder the execution of new policies; and, for DP, to stir up public uneasiness and anxiety, to make people look for saviour so as to regain public support for the upcoming Legco election.
What you said is so precise
“… And the difference between Lee Kuan Yew and HK is that Lee Kuan Yew started his governance with glory and overall strong support from his people, but HK doesn't. HK is greatly divided, which will introduce chaos and uncertainties as HK is torn by power struggles to the extreme. A strong leader with a great start is critical, and HK is lacking just that. …” 一語道破天下事...Sigh...
Delimama, I hope you turn out to be right that the right person with passion will be able to turn HK around. However I am much more skeptical because the gap in ethical standards and mindset between the two cultures is too wide. While the end goal may be the same, the approach used to bring us there can be as different as heaven and hell. And I have this uncomfortable feeling that it's going to be more like hell than heaven. And the difference between Lee Kuan Yew and HK is that Lee Kuan Yew started his governance with glory and overall strong support from his people, but HK doesn't. HK is greatly divided, which will introduce chaos and uncertainties as HK is torn by power struggles to the extreme. A strong leader with a great start is critical, and HK is lacking just that. An aborted election will not bring more chaos than what we have now, but will give unification a chance.
CPG won't want to be an international laughingstock for sure, but their definition of what's acceptable is so way different so HK people just have to accept the new order. The learning curve is going to be steep and potentially tormenting. Embrace change and endure the pain! I hope it's worth it.
Hi eko, if classify this as an outsourced act, it is then suggested that this is an intended action driven by Leung or his inner circle. I don't really think so.
However, regardless the final result will be, I see this is a lesson to prepare HK'ers for the universal suffrage. In the democatic world, more efforts are spent to tackle this kind of games and tricks.
Some said Singapore's success is contributed by it's pseudo democracy. Even my SG friends say so and they are kind of proud of it. Pls don't misread me, i'm not an absolute power believer. And I hate to see any interference from the mainland. I just think that the current govt is jeopardizing HK's competitiveness and making HK marginalized.
My family decided to stay in Hk in the 80s, cuz we believe CPG will try all their efforts to show the world that their self-created one-country-two-system is well practiced. However, these years, we start to worry that our own HKSAR is turning this place not an ideal home for our children...
Still remember Tsang's election slogan. A good SAR leader has to be passionate and has a strong will to take HK to a new horizon. It's a mission, it's a commitment without u-turn. It is sad to see a SAR leader who just sees this as a 'job' (eg Tsang), or do it just because they are asked to do so (eg Tang), or do as an act without any commitment (eg Ho).
As you mentioned in the other post, CPG can't afford to be int'l laughingstock... I see it's the slightest chance to exercise their horrible practice here as we are so transparent to the world. They are too arrogant to see their self-created political a failure. Rather, what will spoil this lovely home is a SAR leader without commitment.
Possible that it's an act by 沒有政治智慧的「有心人」. However, hard to rule out that the outsourced party is just not so smart which is a quality control issue. The boundary of outsourced parties is hard to define, with some being paid labour while others with delayed gratuity....the political playground is obviously getting out of control and appallingly dirty. Really funny to see this is happening in Hong Kong. This is a downgrade in civilization....just look at the skewed logic used in the debates in this forum....makes one laugh
If it is an outsource dirty politics from Leung, then Leung cannot deserved to be called "wolf".
This is an infant level of trick. During this critical moment, even people with ordinary sense will know the best tactic is to "protect the turf" rather than taking any risk.
I would give a wild guess that this idiotic act was from those 沒有政治智慧的「有心人」. And I would also think that their "wisdom" doesn't allow them to understand the harm they have brought to Leung.
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