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星期四已打去agenc打聽情況,說會在easter holidays process the paper work in Phil. 但就沒有update on additional agency fee. 但電及報紙都說僱主要負責所有費用.還說是HK$5500.且HK agency 會於下星期談有多少是僱主付,有沒有JM收到通知要加多少?

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JoannMok 發表於 13-3-31 18:07
星期四已打去agenc打聽情況,說會在easter holidays process the paper work in Phil. 但就沒有update on a ...

如果你巳經申請緊既應該唔駛加錢, 因為你當初搵AGENT請人時agree左個佣金, 邊可以話加就加, 你唔同意可以取消攞返錢, 如果唔係可以去消委會投訴. 依家講緊的一萬幾AGENT FEE應該是黎緊新請果批~

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回覆：Agent 話我知, 13/3 菲律賓政府開大會..加agent fee 工人才可到港

好擔心，上星期剛簽了個菲姐姐，6月先到

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２月頭簽約的時候已經說了有什麽改變會通知我,且問了,若不同意加,可退錢,問題是沒有人帶小朋友所以請姐姐

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JoannMok 發表於 13-3-31 06:52
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can you tell more? what is the story there? just want to have more background on ...

They can't apply to the US, US immigration policy is much stricter and mostly immigrant workers are on H1 visa which are more high-tech jobs. They can apply to Canada, which has far better working environment than HK. They would work five days a week, 8 hours work day, and get a much more humane treatment than in most HK families. You ever wonder why helpers prefer working in expat families rather than local families? Their pay is also higher in Canada. But of course there are cons. First, you have to work in Canada, not everybody wants to go there, cold, no relatives, far, etc. They would need to pay for many of their own expenses.

Honestly, an extra 5K of fee is nothing if you can find a good helper, especially this 5K was originally illegally charged to the helper themselves. But there is too much uncertainty hiring from overseas, find someone good who is already in HK, pay her well and earn her loyalty.

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無錯，人地有好路數，我地根本無權亦唔會阻人發逹囉, 比我係佢地都想去加拿大啦。我想講我一路用緊細agent，我要俾既agent fee已經比人多, 但貪佢地細心會跟足d，而家要再俾一筆，我上個工人偷我錢我報警拉左既，試問我地點可以俾晒所有agent fee, 請個唔知得唔得既工人黎, 佢地唔好又要再俾幾千？佢地黎到唔做，又唔駛負責任，大修道理又返家鄉，最無保障其實係我地囉。是錢既問題兼我地需要人幫手睇小朋友。重有我要補充，我對我上個工人都唔錯㗎，出$4000，重送衫送生日禮物俾佢，不過佢都偷錢, 咁樣可以賺到佢地忠誠嗎？我睇未必。保障自己好過。

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the picture, video and phone discussion are not able to tell us how good of maid. i never hired a maid without change. Under the current situation, we (employers) need to pay if we want to change to another. NO MATTER it is our issue or maid issue. how can we afford to change to a good one if the current one is not good. i have an experience that maid was in the kitchen when boring a water. She let the water boring even though it was done. Until my father in the lliving smell something. We have told her to be careful and asked her what she was doing. NO response. she even did more dangrous stuff and stayed in bed during day time. FYI, she was not finished cleaning the house. How can I keep this maid? If I pay 100% of the fee but the maid like this, should I need to accept it?
I just want to have a fair treatment.

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JoannMok 發表於 13-4-2 10:08
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the picture, video and phone discussion are not able to tell us how good of maid. ...

I totally understand you that if the newly hired helper turns out to be a complete idiot, you lose your processing fee. But you should also understand you are her employer, and it is not unreasonable to expect employers to bear most of the cost. If a company in HK hires an employee and he/she needs training, does the company usually pay for training costs? If a company in HK hires an oversea worker, does the company usually pay for visa processing? Same thing in other countries, employers usually pay for most fees. It's very unfortunate to pay 10K plus and to have to replace her soon after she starts, which is precisely the point that I tried to make earlier. DON'T HIRE DIRECTLY FROM OVERSEAS! Interview someone already in HK in person. I've been very fortunate to have hired a pretty good helper, but I have interviewed dozens of helpers to find her. And, ALWAYS ask for reference from her past employers.
I'm being honest here, there is probably not much the HK government can do to help with the situation. What we, as employers, can do is just to be more careful in hiring, and hope for the best. If the government can implement a try-out period, say 1 month, that would be awesome for us. My guess is it's not gonna happen because some people might abuse it.

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really depends on the agent

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md23 發表於 13-4-1 10:12
They can't apply to the US, US immigration policy is much stricter and mostly immigrant workers are ...

First, most helpers from Php is no good now (hard to find a good one); yes 5K is nothing for some families in HK, provided that you can find a good helper, but the problem is the chance of find a good one is close to hopeless.

Second, a portion of HK employer cannot afford this kind of increment of fee.

Third, high risk of paying agency fee again during the two-year contact (they resign in 6 months and go to Canada, or just resign in a few weeks for some reason ..... HK employers need to pay the fee again for a new helper .....)

Forth, yes you are right, working in Canada is more human, .... they can have their own room (in HK, even my kids need to share room .....) this mean we HK employer cannot afford a Php helper anymore ... our treament in HK as an employee is also inhuman! We all know the working environment in HK is very demanding, long hours and hard work!!

How can we complete with Canada, right? Just let Phpno all go to Canada ... HK kids being taken care by Php helpers is not good anyway (We all know the HK kids problem 港童問題) .... everything has it pros and cons .... 里個世界冇話冇了邊個唔得, 船到橋頭自然直.

Canada Govt use HK as a stepping stone ... this is not right ... why setting the pre-requisite of "previous working experience in HK"? they are taking advantage of us ... 蝦香港人!

I hereby suggest all HK people who is thinking about hiring an oversea helper, do not consider "bun bun", unless you think paying 10k for agency fee, baring the risk of just having them for 6 months is a good deal. We HK people is smart, don't let Canada Govt and Philipine helpers use you as a stepping stone!!

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caca11 發表於 13-4-2 12:19
First, most helpers from Php is no good now (hard to find a good one); yes 5K is nothing for some f ...

I totally agree with you on every point you made. It's far better to hire non-PH helper right now, especially if you have to hire directly from overseas. The reward/risk is just not worth it.
Just one thing though, we can set a rule that says "helpers are required to have worked in Canada", but that's not very practical, is it... I'm just trying to say they are free to set whatever rules they want, it's their right. We can refuse to hire though.

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