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強烈反對同性婚姻合法!!


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認同!


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引用:"某同學的爸爸是個女人,某同學的媽媽是個

原帖由 AlexisM 於 14-04-15 發表
"某同學的爸爸是個女人,某同學的媽媽是個男人"
你講呢啲係變性人囉
同性戀者嘅組成嘅家庭咪即係兩個爸爸/ ...
sorry press wrongly, I mean I agree this jm!!!!!!!


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發表於 14-4-30 18:13 |只看該作者
一見到頭幾個POSTS, D 人既'見解'真係嚇死我.
好在後來都有D SENSIBLE D既POSTS

人地同性戀, 先天又好, 後天又好, 又冇傷害到你.
人地又唔係迫你去變成同性戀, 你就算覺得核突嘔心都係你既感覺. 但點解要剝奪人地既基本權益(婚姻)?
如果呢個世界個所謂NORM係'同性戀', 你同你老公既戀愛係不為世所接受, 你會覺得點.
已所不欲, 勿施於人.

正如上面JM所講, 一個家庭最重要唔係要'一男一女', 而係'愛'.



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引用:Quote:原帖由+AlexisM+於+14-04-15+發表人

原帖由 choco_soup 於 14-04-19 發表
第一步係同性婚姻合法化,下一步就係亂倫合法化。同性戀係一種病,係d 人打死都唔肯承認。

...
病?你覺得呢種係咩病?
咩醫學根據証明同性戀係病?
咁你呢種偏激守舊既思想係未都可以稱之為病?

同性婚姻合法對你有咩影響?
點解結婚一定要一男一女?原因係為左繁殖下一代?自然定律?
咁你地吾去迫政府話一對男女結左婚吾生仔就等於犯法?就等於違反自然定律?
吾好再拎咩自然定律一男一女繁衍一下代黎講好無 不知所謂


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發表於 14-5-1 08:22 |只看該作者
我認同我地每個人對一D特定既野都有某程度既愛,例如會好愛一本書、好愛一隻貓,好愛一架車,LI D都係發乎自然的唷,咁係咪逢好愛好愛一樣就可以結婚呢?


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發表於 14-5-1 21:41 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 阿早! 於 14-5-1 21:42 編輯

不支持立法,不等於不接納。我不支持立法,但我接納他們。

同性戀跟養貓定狗,食肉定菜,著裙定褲完全不一樣,養什麼,食什麼,穿什麼完完全全是個人選擇,亦無違反自然。不要看少"違反自然"這課題,如違反自然可以立法來支持的話,社會將堪入混亂,亂倫、再造人、人獸交等等出現在教科書上你得接受。

再說,請大家有時間上網多查資料,外國好多研究數據指出真真正正的同性戀只佔極極少數,絕大部份同性戀均是後天影響居多。而美國精神病學會前主席Dr Robert Spitzer甚至作出研究證明同性戀性傾向是可以改變的。

真的關心此議題,請花時間做點功課,不要人云亦云,更不要單看表面字眼不清楚就裡便胡亂決定自己思想,你的思想將影響下一代。


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發表於 14-5-1 23:43 |只看該作者
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I respect your right to oppose the legislation but I just want you to know that Dr Robert Spitzer has retracted his research and apologized to the gay community in 2012. If you want to persuade others, please use more UPDATED material. Thanks.


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發表於 14-5-1 23:49 |只看該作者
purplepurpleyan 發表於 14-5-1 08:22
我認同我地每個人對一D特定既野都有某程度既愛,例如會好愛一本書、好愛一隻貓,好愛一架車,LI D都係發乎自然的唷,咁係咪逢好愛好愛一樣就可以結婚呢?
如果係就慘了,二奶小三賤男組個大聯盟,要求政府立法肯定他們婚外情,反對社會對婚外情有任何岐視行為,推翻一夫一妻制!


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發表於 14-5-1 23:51 |只看該作者
lajasmin 發表於 14-5-1 23:43
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I respect your right to oppose the legislation but I just want you to know that D ...
我知道。。我看到的是佢推翻自己"認為要強迫治療同性戀"這部份是不恰當,但他的研究還是有效的。


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發表於 14-5-2 00:07 |只看該作者
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May I know where you can find the evidence supporting your statement stating that his research is still valid? Just want to know out of the curiosity since he said his study has made "unproven claims".


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發表於 14-5-2 00:50 |只看該作者
lajasmin 發表於 14-5-2 00:07
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May I know where you can find the evidence supporting your statement stating that ...
我諗左一陣。。。我諗大家執著的地方有分別。我QUOTE Dr. Robert係佢"同性戀性傾向是可以改變的". 而你會著眼於佢的聲明unproven claims (即成效方面). 不如我post他的聲明出來:
[p=20, null, left]Today, in a letter to Dr. Ken Zucker obtained exclusively by Truth Wins Out, Dr. Robert Spitzer made an unprecedented apology to the gay community — and victims of reparative therapy in particular — for hisinfamous, now-repudiated 2001 study that claimed some “highly motivated” homosexuals could go from gay to straight:

[p=20, null, left]Several months ago I told you that because of my revised view of my 2001 study of reparative therapy changing sexual orientation, I was considering writing something that would acknowledge that I now judged the major critiques of the study as largely correct. After discussing my revised view of the study with Gabriel Arana, a reporter for American Prospect, and with Malcolm Ritter, an Associated Press science writer, I decided that I had to make public my current thinking about the study. Here it is.

[p=20, null, left]Basic Research Question. From the beginning it was: “can some version of reparative therapy enable individuals to change their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual?” Realizing that the study design made it impossible to answer this question, I suggested that the study could be viewed as answering the question, “how do individuals undergoing reparative therapy describe changes in sexual orientation?” – a not very interesting question.

[p=20, null, left]The Fatal Flaw in the Study – There was no way to judge the credibility of subject reports of change in sexual orientation. I offered several (unconvincing) reasons why it was reasonable to assume that the subject’s reports of change were credible and not self-deception or outright lying. But the simple fact is that there was no way to determine if the subject’s accounts of change were valid. (《=這PART就係你所見的unproven claims)

[p=20, null, left]I believe I owe the gay community an apology for my study making unproven claims of the efficacy of reparative therapy. I also apologize to any gay person who wasted time and energy undergoing some form of reparative therapy because they believed that I had proven that reparative therapy works with some “highly motivated” individuals.

[p=20, null, left]Robert Spitzer. M.D.
Emeritus Professor of Psychiatry,
Columbia University

[p=20, null, left]我個人認為佢只為個案的成效而道歉,而非"不可能透過治療改變同性戀行為"而推翻整個research.



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發表於 14-5-2 01:03 |只看該作者
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I still don't get it. As you have quoted "The Fatal Flaw in the Study – There was no way to judge the credibility of subject reports of change in sexual orientation", how can a study be still valid if there is a fatal flaw as he claimed?


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發表於 14-5-2 01:06 |只看該作者
阿早! 發表於 14-5-1 23:51
我知道。。我看到的是佢推翻自己"認為要強迫治療同性戀"這部份是不恰當,但他的研究還是有效的。 ...
或者我應加以修改,以免誤導他人:
"我知道。。我看到的是佢推翻自己"認為要強迫治療同性戀"這部份是不恰當,但他的研究還是有參考價值的。 ..."


對我來說,有效=有治療成功案例,但嚴格來說"有效"可能是要有實質數據支持,才可以公開地說"有效"。


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發表於 14-5-2 01:15 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 阿早! 於 14-5-2 01:28 編輯
lajasmin 發表於 14-5-2 01:03
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I still don't get it. As you have quoted "The Fatal Flaw in the Study – There w ...

The topic (Basic Questions) of the research had been changed by Dr. Robert with his apologies. The research is no longer to study the efficiency of sexual reorientation coach, isn't it?


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發表於 14-5-2 01:17 |只看該作者
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Though we might have different views on the homosexuality legislation issue but I admire your attitude on amending your statement in order not to misleading others.


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發表於 14-5-2 12:54 |只看該作者
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接納佢地的話, 就應該維護佢地應有權益.
否則, 你所謂既接納, 係咩?


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發表於 14-5-2 16:41 |只看該作者
AlexisM 發表於 14-4-15 17:19
"某同學的爸爸是個女人,某同學的媽媽是個男人"
你講呢啲係變性人囉
同性戀者嘅組成嘅家庭咪即係兩個爸爸/ ...

好同意!
樓主的說法過於片面
雖然我亦不會支持同性戀婚姻合法
但是我覺得評論要公平d

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