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證明d咩 ? 你話人,其實咪又係木想cover自己所
相信的,胡說八道 !叫你貼d資料又唔貼, 有說服力嗎 ?

證明d咩 ? 證明你個心真係盲 ga 囉 !
政治角力現在玩緊香港,你睇到都扮睇唔到 !

唔知你有無睇過,點都好,再番貼下 ! ~

Land destroyer
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1

民主真兄弟
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那些片我在youtube錫安教找到，這教是正是邪大家心裡有數。

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sam299xxx 發表於 14-10-24 23:01
你俾既野係對佔領運動不同人既評論係唔同人既意見
猜想唔係事實

你放心 ! 一步一步來, 好快證據說就會出台.......

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sam299xxx 發表於 14-10-24 23:04
係世界唔同地方都進行緊政治角力香港係中國最開放既城市
唔同國家想利用香港同中共政權角力有咩出奇
但係要 ...

什麼是憑空想象, 什麼是有跡可尋, 拭目以待吧 !

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sam299xxx 發表於 14-10-21 23:20
無知市井之徒
無證無據
話佔領行動由外國勢力策動

美國人 Dr Michael Pillsbury (國防部顧問) 都承認美國 NED (國家民主基金會) 有份參與...

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0:23 ～0:53

China blames US for Hong Kong protests

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp2a4v3hBVg

新聞剪貼: Fox News 美國福克斯電視新聞頻道 (有中文字幕

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29708917

Hong Kong protests: Activists share secrets at Oslo Freedom Forum
By Laura KuenssbergChief correspondent, BBC Newsnight
The forum is taking place while protests continue in Hong Kong
Continue reading the main story
Related Stories
• HK in first talks with students
• Hong Kong's democracy debate
Where might you find a North Korean defector, a self-confessed Serbian troublemaker, a Tiananmen Square protester and members of punk group Pussy Riot in the same room?
While Hong Kong's students continue their protests and stumbling negotiations with the territory's authorities, democracy activists from around the world, who have helped organise their struggle, gather together.
The Oslo Freedom Forum is one of the biggest meetings of human rights activists in the world, and this year its rather surreal proceedings have a different tension, as activists trying to take on Beijing's actions in Hong Kong seek to hold their ground.
Activists are furious at what they see as Beijing's proposals to fix the election of Hong Kong's next chief executive.
'Trained demonstrators'
However, far from being impromptu demonstrations, it is an open secret at this meeting in Norway that plans were hatched for the demonstrations nearly two years ago.
The ideas was to use non-violent action as a "weapon of mass destruction" to challenge the Chinese government.
Organisers prepared a plan to persuade 10,000 people on to the streets, to occupy roads in central Hong Kong, back in January 2013.
They believed that China's moves to control the Hong Kong election would provide a flashpoint where civil disobedience could be effective, and planned accordingly.
Their strategies were not just to plan the timing and nature of the demonstrations, but also how they would be run.
Veterans of previous protests in China have praised the organisation of activists in Hong Kong
BBC Newsnight has been told many of those involved in the demonstrations, perhaps more than 1,000 of them, have been given specific training to help make the campaign as effective as possible.
'New world race'
Jianili Yang, a Chinese academic, was part of the protests in Tiananmen Square 25 years ago.
He has been talking to the Hong Kong students on a daily basis.
He says that the students are better organised than the Tiananmen protesters ever were, with clearer, more effective structures for their action and clearer goals about what they are trying to achieve.
But he adds that responsibility for what happens next is not just down to the protesters themselves, not just down to other democracy activists like those gathered here in Oslo, but to the rest of the world.
Jamila Raqib, the executive director of the Albert Einstein Institution in New York, a human rights organisation, says: "

rotesters were taught how to behave during a protest.
"How to keep ranks, how to speak to police, how to manage their own movement, how to use marshals in their movement, people who are specially trained.
"It was also how to behave when arrested - practical things like the need for food and water, movement can last longer when people are taken care of, and also how to manage a water cannon being used against you, and other types of police violence."
Protests don't always work.
Serdja Popovic was one of the student leaders involved in overthrowing Slobodan Milosevic.
Serdja Popovic says you have to understand the "rules of the non-military battlefield"
He has since trained activists in 40 countries, but he says the techniques of non-violent action that he advocates have led to successful and lasting change in only six or seven countries.
He argues that there is more need than ever for the methods of organisation and leadership to be shared.
He says that after the 20th Century military race, "what we are seeing now is a new world race - now it is 'can the good guys learn as well as the bad guys?'."
'Schmoozing for democracy'
Mr Popovic says whether in Georgia, Ukraine, Egypt or Hong Kong "you can look at these movements - and see the set of rules".
"You have to understand the rules of the non-military battlefield."
His work in Oslo, along with the writings of the American human rights activist, Gene Sharp, is in high demand.
There is something incongruous about the Oslo meeting - seeing Chinese dissidents, American computer hackers, activists from Africa, the Middle East and Russia trade information over champagne and canapés.
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Members of Pussy Riot are attending the Oslo Freedom Forum. Watch Laura's report
Like any conference, a good deal of the work is done after hours, even if it is schmoozing for democracy.
Two members of Russian opposition female punk group Pussy Riot, members of which were put in jail by President Putin, are here too.
They say they want to "make personal contacts" and meet others doing similar human rights work.
What this event shows is that struggles for democracy or human rights in the 21st Century rarely happen in isolation.
Activists, whether those on the streets of Hong Kong right now, or from other parts of the world, are sharing information and insights faster than ever before.

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http://www2.hkej.com/instantnews/current/article/921963/BBC%3A%E4%BD%94%E4%B8%AD%E7%AD%96%E5%8A%83%E5%85%A9%E5%B9%B4+%E9%80%BE%E5%8D%83%E4%BA%BA%E6%9B%BE%E6%8E%A5%E5%8F%97%E7%89%B9%E8%A8%93
BBC:佔中策劃兩年逾千人曾接受特訓

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英國廣播公司(BBC)一篇報道透露，「佔中」運動組織者去年1月已計劃鼓動萬人佔領街道，超過一千人更在行動前接受特訓，以求令佔中運動達到最大效果。

報道指，多個國家人權分子在挪威出席「奧斯陸自由論壇」，佔中成為主要議題。報道稱，佔中在兩年前已經展開規劃，而非一場臨時興起的活動，這是與會者公開的秘密。佔中者不單止制定示威時間，而且規劃如何實行。

「佔中」組織者去年1月計劃鼓動1萬人佔領街道，期望以非暴力行動(non-violent action)形成「大規模破壞的武器」(weapon of mass destruction)挑戰中央政府。超過一千名參與佔領的人士曾接受特別訓練，好讓行動達至最大效果。

受訓者獲教導如何與警方交涉、如何管理運動、被捕時怎樣做、如何安排食水和食物，以及面對水炮和警方暴力時如何處理。

八九學運領袖、現已移居美國的民運人士楊建利透露，差不多每小時都向佔領人士提供意見。目前佔中人士較1989年天安門學運更有規模及組織，架構更為清晰和有效率，追求的目標也更明確。

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29708917Hong Kong protests: Activists share secrets at Oslo Freedom Forum

[size=1.231em]By Laura KuenssbergChief correspondent, BBC Newsnight

The forum is taking place while protests continue in Hong Kong
Continue reading the main storyRelated Stories

[p=18, null, left]Where might you find a North Korean defector, a self-confessed Serbian troublemaker, a Tiananmen Square protester and members of punk group Pussy Riot in the same room?

[p=18, null, left]While Hong Kong's students continue their protests and stumbling negotiations with the territory's authorities, democracy activists from around the world, who have helped organise their struggle, gather together.

[p=18, null, left]The Oslo Freedom Forum is one of the biggest meetings of human rights activists in the world, and this year its rather surreal proceedings have a different tension, as activists trying to take on Beijing's actions in Hong Kong seek to hold their ground.

[p=18, null, left]Activists are furious at what they see as Beijing's proposals to fix the election of Hong Kong's next chief executive.

[size=1.231em]'Trained demonstrators'[p=18, null, left]However, far from being impromptu demonstrations, it is an open secret at this meeting in Norway that plans were hatched for the demonstrations nearly two years ago.

[p=18, null, left]The ideas was to use non-violent action as a "weapon of mass destruction" to challenge the Chinese government.

[p=18, null, left]Organisers prepared a plan to persuade 10,000 people on to the streets, to occupy roads in central Hong Kong, back in January 2013.

[p=18, null, left]They believed that China's moves to control the Hong Kong election would provide a flashpoint where civil disobedience could be effective, and planned accordingly.

[p=18, null, left]Their strategies were not just to plan the timing and nature of the demonstrations, but also how they would be run.

Veterans of previous protests in China have praised the organisation of activists in Hong Kong
[p=18, null, left]BBC Newsnight has been told many of those involved in the demonstrations, perhaps more than 1,000 of them, have been given specific training to help make the campaign as effective as possible.

[size=1.231em]'New world race'[p=18, null, left]Jianili Yang, a Chinese academic, was part of the protests in Tiananmen Square 25 years ago.

[p=18, null, left]He has been talking to the Hong Kong students on a daily basis.

[p=18, null, left]He says that the students are better organised than the Tiananmen protesters ever were, with clearer, more effective structures for their action and clearer goals about what they are trying to achieve.

[p=18, null, left]But he adds that responsibility for what happens next is not just down to the protesters themselves, not just down to other democracy activists like those gathered here in Oslo, but to the rest of the world.

[p=18, null, left]Jamila Raqib, the executive director of the Albert Einstein Institution in New York, a human rights organisation, says: "

rotesters were taught how to behave during a protest.

[p=18, null, left]"How to keep ranks, how to speak to police, how to manage their own movement, how to use marshals in their movement, people who are specially trained.

[p=18, null, left]"It was also how to behave when arrested - practical things like the need for food and water, movement can last longer when people are taken care of, and also how to manage a water cannon being used against you, and other types of police violence."

[p=18, null, left]Protests don't always work.

[p=18, null, left]Serdja Popovic was one of the student leaders involved in overthrowing Slobodan Milosevic.

Serdja Popovic says you have to understand the "rules of the non-military battlefield"
[p=18, null, left]He has since trained activists in 40 countries, but he says the techniques of non-violent action that he advocates have led to successful and lasting change in only six or seven countries.

[p=18, null, left]He argues that there is more need than ever for the methods of organisation and leadership to be shared.

[p=18, null, left]He says that after the 20th Century military race, "what we are seeing now is a new world race - now it is 'can the good guys learn as well as the bad guys?'."

[size=1.231em]'Schmoozing for democracy'[p=18, null, left]Mr Popovic says whether in Georgia, Ukraine, Egypt or Hong Kong "you can look at these movements - and see the set of rules".

[p=18, null, left]"You have to understand the rules of the non-military battlefield."

[p=18, null, left]His work in Oslo, along with the writings of the American human rights activist, Gene Sharp, is in high demand.

[p=18, null, left]There is something incongruous about the Oslo meeting - seeing Chinese dissidents, American computer hackers, activists from Africa, the Middle East and Russia trade information over champagne and canapés.

[size=0.9em]Jump media player
[size=0.9em]Media player help

Out of media player. Press enter to return or tab to continue.

Members of Pussy Riot are attending the Oslo Freedom Forum. Watch Laura's report

[p=18, null, left]Like any conference, a good deal of the work is done after hours, even if it is schmoozing for democracy.

[p=18, null, left]Two members of Russian opposition female punk group Pussy Riot, members of which were put in jail by President Putin, are here too.

[p=18, null, left]They say they want to "make personal contacts" and meet others doing similar human rights work.

[p=18, null, left]What this event shows is that struggles for democracy or human rights in the 21st Century rarely happen in isolation.

[p=18, null, left]Activists, whether those on the streets of Hong Kong right now, or from other parts of the world, are sharing information and insights faster than ever before.

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人地話說"有外國勢力企圖介入佔中", 無講"外國組織指揮佔領行動"

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Mark Simon曾任美情報員

太陽報 – 2014年8月29日星期五上午6:30

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太陽報 - Mark Simon來自情報世家，父親長年為美國中情局工作，自己亦曾任美國海軍情報員。

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Mark的寓所大門密碼。

【太陽報專訊】【本報訊】與黎智英關係密切的Mark Simon，過去十多年來一直擁有多重身份，背景複雜。來自情報世家的Mark，曾在美國海軍擔當情報工作；在壹傳媒內，Mark手握廣告大權；公司以外，Mark則變身美國共和黨的香港支部主席，與美國駐華大使有緊密聯繫；私人方面，Mark連黎妻買紅酒、黎食物中毒等私事，Mark亦從中協助，稱得上是黎的御用左右手。

上月外洩的機密文件披露Mark背景複雜，他與另一名黎智英手下討論如何將台灣壹電視訊號「偷運」入福建省時，自爆其父為美國中央情報局工作長達三十五年，而Mark本人亦曾在美國海軍擔當情報工作。

指點黎妻避稅買紅酒

Mark又曾任壹傳媒廣告總監，負責與廣告客戶溝通，包括分別在○四及○六年去信和黃集團「大班」霍建寧「乞廣告」。Mark在壹傳媒工作十多年，毫不掩飾自己的美國共和黨員身份，並經常為黎智英分析美國國情，但部分建議最後證實出錯。

黎智英不少海內外捐獻，都是由Mark充當「中間人」送出，他亦曾為黎安排與外國政要會面。黎去年與美國國防部前副部長沃爾福威茨一同出訪緬甸，與當地多名軍政府領導會面，Mark亦有同行兼負責向沃爾福威茨「找數」。

Mark與黎智英的家人同樣關係密切，例如黎妻曾經於海外購買價值逾四百多萬元的紅酒，Mark便建議她分批帶回香港以避稅。Mark又曾向黎發出道歉信，指難以預料黎會食物中毒，並說已將食物樣本交予香港標準及檢定中心化驗，但不建議黎報警，以免公開事件。

門前密碼疑求主祝福

Mark的寓所大門，更刻有一堆密碼「20+C+M+B14」，為他增添神秘感。根據資料，該組密碼可解讀成以下意思：每年一月六日「主顯節」，天主教及基督教徒會在當日慶祝耶穌首次向世人顯現。教徒會到處以被祝福的粉筆，在住處大門寫上年份及「CMB」，而頭尾的數字為年份，即2014年。「CMB」三個字母，則代表首次見證耶穌顯現的「東方三賢士」Caspar、Melchior及Balthasar，字母亦是拉丁文「Christus Mansionem Benedicat」的縮寫，意為「求主祝福」。不過，Mark住所大門的密碼在「B」後缺少了一個「+」號，故不肯定是否另有意思。

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一個中文媒體需不需要請前美國人做助手啊? 想一想吧?

補充內容 (14-10-25 21:33):
更正一個中文媒體需不需要請前美國情人員做助手啊? 想一想吧?

補充內容 (14-10-25 22:33):
更正 : 一個中文媒體需不需要請前美國情報人員做助手啊? 想一想吧?

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/zhongwen/tr ... _hongkong_democracy

拜登晤陳方安生李柱銘：美國挺香港民主
2014年 4月 5日
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拜登（右）於白宮會晤李柱銘（左）與陳方安生（中）（美國副總統辦公室Twitter照片4/4/2014）
這次會晤被認為是美國異常高調地表態支持香港民主派。
美國副總統拜登於白宮會見正在訪美的香港前政務司司長陳方安生與民主黨創黨主席李柱銘。
副總統辦公室官方Twitter稱，拜登於星期五（4月4日）「順道會晤」了陳方安生與李柱銘。白宮官員稱，拜登強調美國長期支持香港發展民主，並在「一國兩制」的框架下實行高度自治。
拜登與兩位香港泛民主派元老的會面正值香港新一輪政制改革諮詢將近尾聲，與「佔領中環」爭取普選運動正在籌備之際。法新社形容這次會面異常高調。
中國曾透過外交部與官方媒體駁斥美國對香港事務的評論，指責美國試圖干涉香港內政。
最近，美國國務院發表2013年全球人權報告，當中批評香港《基本法》限制了香港市民和平改變政府的權利。
中國外交部駐香港特派員公署發言人當時回應稱：「香港回歸17年來，『一國兩制』在港成功實施，經濟發展成就顯著，政制改革不斷推進，國際社會對此有目共睹。美國國務院發表的2013年國別人權報告再次罔顧事實，對屬於中國內政的香港事務說三道四，我們堅決反對。」
「不在日程之上」
陳方安生（左）與李柱銘（右）與佩洛西合照（香港2020照片3/4/2014）
陳李二人於國會山莊與佩洛西等美國國會議員會面。
陳方安生與李柱銘這次訪美行程為期兩周，目的是向美國各界介紹香港民主現況與爭取普選的發展。
據美聯社報道，拜登這次會晤兩位香港民主派代表，事前並未列入其公開日程；台灣中央社報道，陳李二人當時於白宮與國家安全會議官員會面，拜登特別到場會晤兩人。
中央社發自華盛頓的報道還引述美國國務院發言人哈夫說，陳李二人同日還會晤了美國常務副國務卿伯恩斯。
陳李二人在華府會晤的重量級政界人物還包括美國眾議院少數黨領袖佩洛西。陳方安生擔任召集人的論政團體香港2020表示，陳方安生及李柱銘獲保證，美國將密切關注香港的發展情況。
香港2020稱，佩洛西等議員星期四（3日）會晤兩人時稱，美方十分關心以《中英聯合聲明》作基礎的「一國兩制」原則逐漸被削弱，而像新聞自由等香港的核心價值正面對危機。
香港親北京媒體對陳李二人此次訪美行程大力抨擊。《文匯報》星期六（5日）稱，兩人「試圖引入外國勢力干預，向中央施壓及捆綁反對派政改立場，表面推動民主發展，實質出賣香港，扯普選的後腿」。
（編譯：葉靖斯　責編：蕭爾）
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中國外交部駐香港特派員公署對美國批評《基本法》限制了香港市民和平改變政府的權利作出的【回應】根本與【事實不符】，說得上是【睜著眼睛說瞎話】！作為講真話的香港人，該把【回應】改寫成這樣：「香港回歸17年來，一國兩制在港未嘗落實，經濟發展並不理想，政制改革不斷倒退，國際社會對此有目共睹。美國國務院發表的2013年人權報告再次反映香港的情況，對香港極度關注，我們深感歡迎。」
【勢孤力弱】的香港，面對強權欺凌，【不團結】一切反共的力量，【不勾結】外國勢力與之周旋與之抗衡，【行嗎】？中共當年何嘗不也是這樣？為什麼換了人換了時換了地就昨是今非？

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咪咁盲目，反返反佔中就是收錢。

補充內容 (14-10-25 21:37):
更正: 咪咁盲目啦，凡反佔中就是收錢。

補充內容 (14-10-25 22:16):
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看報章，不要只看Apple Daily , 多看幾份，多角度思考吧。

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睇少D apple daily 吧。

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