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很困惑，問基督徒： [複製鏈接]

sshoi

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babyislove 發表於 12-5-26 15:06
基督徒面對同性戀者，往往會手拿聖經，一段段的教導，配合著懲罰，以為有了規條，加上審判，他們就會「改過 ...

我所認識嘅基督徒對同性戀者都只係勸導﹐至於懲罰就真係未見過。大部份基督徒(我所認識嘅)都唔憎恨同性戀者﹐唔會在工作上、生活上歧視佢地﹐亦唔會去嘲笑佢地﹐反而歧視同嘲笑佢地嘅都係非基督徒。如果同性戀者一方面高舉自由﹐話自己有自由去選擇自己的生化方式﹐同時卻又認為別人無自由去判斷乜野係對與錯﹐咁就係一種自相矛盾嘅虛偽。
如果講天性﹐講傾向﹐男人有邊個唔係天性想自己同時有十個八個女人(假設應付得來)﹖如果大家你情我願﹐點解社會要唔接受多妻或多夫制度﹖聖經話姦係罪﹐係唔係代表神唔夠包容、唔愛男人﹖到最終當每一個人睇晒整本聖經嘅時候﹐都會發現指出我地每一個人都係罪人﹐都有D所謂天性同傾向係神眼中定義為罪嘅﹐唔好以為聖經下下玩針對。

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本帖最後由 gpb 於 12-5-26 22:16 編輯

sshoi 發表於 12-5-26 19:53
我所認識嘅基督徒對同性戀者都只係勸導﹐至於懲罰就真係未見過。大部份基督徒(我所認識嘅)都唔憎恨同性戀者 ...

Objection! 我唔同意！

男人天性係不自量力嘅！如果講天性，唔理係咪應付得黎，隨時個個都想自己有一百幾十個女人！

可惜聖經話唔俾...莫非連個天都唔鐘意男人？

P.S. 我有好朋友係同性戀者，邊個話我唔愛佢，我同邊個死過

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858D 我絕對信你有從主而來的愛人如己的能力。發表於 12-5-29 14:44

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各位主內兄姊，非教友似乎很難明白主愛罪人，但不愛罪行，同時又容忍我以後會繼續的過失呢？！

不如我話比未信的人，特別是同性戀朋友知。我以前是罪人，信主後仍是罪人，都會貪心，都會偷懶。
所以單以品德論，其實有很多不貪心、不偷懶的同性戀朋友都比我高尚。

耶穌愛我，也愛你，就算你是同性戀人士！

分別在於，我感受得到耶穌愛我。
你未感受到耶穌愛你矣。

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sshoi 發表於 12-5-26 19:53
我所認識嘅基督徒對同性戀者都只係勸導﹐至於懲罰就真係未見過。大部份基督徒(我所認識嘅)都唔憎恨同性戀者 ...

"....到最終當每一個人睇晒整本聖經嘅時候﹐都會發現指出我地每一個人都係罪人﹐都有D所謂天性同傾向係神眼中定義為罪嘅﹐唔好以為聖經下下玩針對。"

我翻譯給 KNT 知。他很有同感。特別是最後這句有感而發：以下是 KNT 的 post：

God loves by pointing the finger at us.

[Kudos

(agreement and applause) to sshoi for his comment about pointing fingers. God uses the bible to point His finger at all of us, Christians too. I just have to accept it and grow. God loves by pointing the finger at us.

Look at these passages on His discipline and learn. He is speaking to all of us. Notice many are early in the Old Testament when some like to say the religion of Yahweh is a different religion than today (like He was full of wrath, not as loving). These prove they are wrong.]

Deuteronomy 8:2-5
You shall remember all the way which the Lord your God has led you in the wilderness these forty years, that He might humble you, testing you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His commandments or not. He humbled you and let you be hungry, and fed you with manna which you did not know, nor did your fathers know, that He might make you understand that man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by everything that proceeds out of the mouth of the Lord. Your clothing did not wear out on you, nor did your foot swell these forty years. Thus you are to know in your heart that the Lord your God was disciplining you just as a man disciplines his son.

Psalms 50:16-21
But to the wicked God says,
“What right have you to tell of My statutes
And to take My covenant in your mouth?
“For you hate discipline,
And you cast My words behind you.
“When you see a thief, you are pleased with him,
And you associate with adulterers.
“You let your mouth loose in evil
And your tongue frames deceit.
“You sit and speak against your brother;
You slander your own mother’s son.
“These things you have done and I kept silence;
You thought that I was just like you;
I will reprove you and state the case in order before your eyes.

Proverbs 3:11-12
My son, do not reject the discipline of the Lord
Or loathe His reproof,
For whom the Lord loves He reproves,
Even as a father corrects the son in whom he delights.

Proverbs 12:1
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
But he who hates reproof is stupid.

Proverbs 13:1
A wise son accepts his father’s discipline,
But a scoffer does not listen to rebuke.

1 Corinthians 11:31-32
But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.

Hebrews 12:7-11
It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as seemed best to them, but He disciplines us for our good, so that we may share His holiness. All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.

2 Timothy 1:7
For God has not given us a spirit of timidity, but of power and love and discipline.

Revelation 3:19
Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.

[Wouldn't it be great to say . . .]

Psalms 84:10
I would rather stand at the threshold of the house of my God
Than dwell in the tents of wickedness.

KNT

Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own ~ H. Jackson Brown

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本帖最後由 858D 於 12-5-27 12:06 編輯

我在工作上也認識了一同性戀朋友。我稱他為朋友是由於我與他能有深入交流探討工作以外的事情，但我不知他是否有與同性的人有性行為這不合神心意的罪行喔。我絕對不會問他有沒有的，除非他自己無情白事無拉拉突然爆話他好享受同同性有性行為啦。他還未信我的神，還不是與我同一主、一信、一洗的弟兄，我當然不會這麼不合邏輯的跟他說：我們的父教我們不要與同性有性行為。因為我和他跟本談不上有同樣的父神。跟本談不上從同一位父神生的。我待他也與其他朋友沒有分別。一樣的以愛人如己的心愛他。我覺得他和我另兩位結了幾次婚的朋友沒有分別。他們和未信主那時的我沒有分別。都是不願接受神的國度，權柄，榮耀的人。所以我首要最關心他們的不是與同性有性行為的事，也不是離了婚再另結新歡的事，而是願他們認識真神如何愛他為他捨身不願見有任何人沉淪的事。