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我冇咩錢..一次奉獻二十元可以嗎?

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聽過有廟祝月入20萬, 不過好似係大廟

因為D人簽香油O既錢, 佢地自己袋晒, 而且"收入"無得追查

暫時, 我就無聽過月入廿萬O既牧師喇, 大教會都無

如果天空總是黑暗的，那就摸黑生存；如果發出聲音是危險的，那就保持沉默；如果自覺無力發光的，那就蜷伏於牆角。但不要習慣了黑暗就為黑暗辯護；不要為自己的苟且而得意；不要嘲諷那些比自己更勇敢熱情的人們。我們可以卑微如塵土，不可扭曲如蛆蟲 - 曼德拉

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pyjess 發表於 12-7-1 00:33
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暫時, 我就無聽過月入廿萬O既牧師喇, 大教會都無

都有聽過香港有揸勞斯來司嘅牧師。外國更多﹐D所謂成功神學嘅教會牧師﹐豪宅都幾間。
不過絕大部份教會都係睇餸食飯﹐而且都會公開財政狀況。牧師一家都要食飯﹐燈油火蠟都要畀﹐D奉獻除左出糧畀牧師其實主要都係用在會眾身上。

唔知有無人統計過香港基督徒平均奉獻幾多呢﹖假設同美國差不多﹐美國主流福音派基督徒大約係奉獻6.5%﹐唔夠十一。假設一間中型教會有150人﹐平均50個家庭﹐奉獻6.5%﹐即係大約等於3個家庭的總收入。如果教會有一位牧師﹐奉獻嘅1/3用在支付牧師薪水﹐2/3用在教會營運﹐咁其實牧師一家收入(假設師母唔出去工作)都只係剛好等於一個平均會眾家庭的收入。

如果教會大D﹐人數多D﹐到時候又會請多個牧師﹐燈油火蠟亦相對增加。

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fafacat 多謝你, 你永遠都係最堅"信" 最理性(附合科普), 答晒好多人, ANTI個D要"收皮" 發表於 12-11-17 11:58

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gpb 發表於 12-6-30 00:46
多少不是問題，最緊要係甘心樂意，對神黎講，奉獻廿蚊同廿億對佢係冇影響嘅，因為佢乜都有
雖然我覺得奉獻 ...

同意！ "甘心樂意奉獻費財費力 " 更是聖經多處的提點。摘自聖經和合本：

出埃及記 25:2
(耶和華，我的神說:) 你告訴以色列人當為我送禮物來；凡甘心樂意的，你們就可以收下歸我。

歌林多後書 8: 2-4

就是他們在患難中受大試煉的時候，仍有滿足的快樂，在極窮之間還格外顯出他們樂捐的厚恩。

我可以證明，他們是按著力量，而且也過了力量，自己甘心樂意的捐助，

再三的求我們，准他們在這供給聖徒的恩情上有分

歌林多後書 12:15
我也甘心樂意為你們的靈魂費財費力。難道我越發愛你們，就越發少得你們的愛麼？

提摩太前書 6:18
又要囑咐他們行善，在好事上富足，甘心施捨，樂意供給（或作：體貼）人，

彼得前書 5:2
務要牧養在你們中間神的群羊，按著神旨意照管他們；不是出於勉強，乃是出於甘心；也不是因為貪財，乃是出於樂意；

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54heima 發表於 12-6-29 19:52
41.耶穌對銀庫坐著，看眾人怎樣投錢入庫。有好些財主往裡投了若干的錢。

42.有一個窮寡婦來，往裡投了兩 ...

主要是你樂意損多少,

不是你的能力是多少,

主給我們自由,

從不勉強我們的.

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福水發表於 12-7-1 08:20
主要是你樂意損多少,

不是你的能力是多少,

我突然諗到一個問題﹕假設有兩個信徒﹐收入同其他情況都差不多﹐一個好甘心樂意奉獻收入的1%或更少﹐奉獻得好開心﹐好爽。另外一個就次次都好肉赤﹐但仍然忍痛做十一奉獻。
你地覺得邊個比較蒙主的喜悅呢﹖

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fafacat 爽字- 有D TRICKY, 再DEFY 唔該, 個人認為肉赤都可以好爽好甘心... 發表於 12-11-17 12:01

fafacat 對, 甘心! 樂意! (相對論) 發表於 12-11-17 11:59

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I think: "好甘心樂意奉獻收入的1% " 的會比較蒙主悅。

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你點知佢奉献左幾千蚊? 我地用奉獻袋收獻金,睇唔到.

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sshoi 發表於 12-7-1 02:44
都有聽過香港有揸勞斯來司嘅牧師。外國更多﹐D所謂成功神學嘅教會牧師﹐豪宅都幾間。
不過絕大部份教會都係 ...

其實大部份教会会定期將部份獻金分到轉到福音機構,醫院,社關組織,慈惠事工........教会財政亦是公開給会友睇.

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<靈命日糧>網上版

2012-07-01
奉獻盤

读经: 哥林多後書8章1-9節

在這慈善的事上，也要顯出你們是富足的。—哥林多後書8章7節，新譯本

我以前的牧師艾德．多博生常說，他不喜歡在講道中，教導有關奉獻錢財給教會的議題。他說他之前的工作需要募款，因此，他不喜歡給人沒有必要的壓力。然而，當他在教導哥林多後書8章和9章時，就不得不談到奉獻了。我清楚記得當時他在講道時，將一個奉獻盤放在地板上，自己站到盤子上。當他闡述不僅是將錢財，而是將自己完全奉獻給主的重要性時，他就一直站在奉獻盤上。

保羅在哥林多後書8章和9章中，多次教導我們，當奉獻給主時，所應有的態度與行為：

• 先把自已獻給主（8章5節）。

• 學習主耶穌的榜樣奉獻（8章9節）。

• 照你所有的奉獻（（8章11-12節）。

• 因為上帝的愛而熱心奉獻（9章2節）。

• 甘心樂意地奉獻，而不是出於勉強或外來的壓力（9章5-7節）。

以後當奉獻盤在教會裏傳遞時，想像你自己正站在上面。這將可以幫助你在奉獻的事上格外慷慨（8章7節）。AMC

主耶穌，謝謝祢為我在十字架上捨命。

因為祢的愛，我要將自己完全獻上，

我的心，我的時間，我的金錢，我的意志，

都完全獻給祢。我愛祢。

若將自己完全獻上，奉獻其餘就不難。

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fafacat THX! 再次提醒大家發表於 12-11-17 12:03

回家，並不只因為能遮風避雨、吃飽喝暖；
回家，是因為那裡有愛。

「喜樂」從「感恩」開始

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jenamy94 發表於 12-7-1 16:47
你點知佢奉献左幾千蚊? 我地用奉獻袋收獻金,睇唔到.

有D教會收奉獻係可以留名,用作出單據,因此都會公開奉獻者的名字,增加教會收入的透明度.

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fafacat 所以其他不公開收支既(任何宗教人士及團體), 都多出問題, 引人非議不奇發表於 12-11-17 12:05

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nwccs 發表於 12-6-30 22:09
香港幾間私家醫院都係教會開,但年年賺大大大大大錢,夠起學校,戒毒......使乜要普通信徒捐呀

如果一開始無普通信徒的奉獻,香港又點會有幾間私家醫院都係教會開呀!
開左之後年年賺大大大大大錢,係因為以前有D普通信徒奉獻呀!

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ndw 發表於 12-7-1 12:58
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I think: "好甘心樂意奉獻收入的1% " 的會比較蒙主悅。

或者我用一個唔完全嘅比喻啦。
假設你有兩個仔﹐家庭環境差不多﹐現在你退休喇﹐佢地供養你。你同兩個仔話希望佢地每人能每個月畀你五千蚊生活費同家用。
大仔每個月笑笑口放低二百﹐話你邊食得晒一萬咁多丫﹐二百得啦﹐反正弟弟會畀五千你﹐夠用啦。然後佢好心安理得咁走左去。
二仔每個月一邊好肉痛咁掏荷包畀你五千蚊﹐一邊就嘆氣話現在經濟唔好呀﹐五千對佢一家其實都算係負擔﹔但因為你係佢媽媽﹐所以佢都一路肉赤仍然一路畀。

大家認為邊個仔更愛媽媽呢﹖

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fafacat 惜晒你! 唔該, 我都以為我會錯意, 可惜我得一個仔咋發表於 12-11-17 12:07

ndw 噢！我明你指乜喇。發表於 12-7-2 13:45

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以下是轉摘友人 KNT 的文章：

[Tithing is mentioned only in the Old Testament. In actuality it is much more than 10% of income. They were to calculate their assets and growth as well. Then take one tenth of that to offer. And this was not a guideline, this was their Law. (Law of Moses)

Attitude plays an important part in everything we do because offering of our money is only part of what we can offer to God. To see a wrong attitude - see Abel and Cain in Genesis 4. Don't focus on what they gave except that Abel gave of the firstfruits. Whatever they knew to give, Abel's was accepted and Cain's was not. The important part of this passage is seeing Cain's attitude afterwards. Instead of trying to do better, he became upset that God did not approve of his offering. So God talked to him like a father to a son. Still Cain did not follow God's advice and instead became angry with Abel. Then he killed Abel.

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Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own ~ H. Jackson Brown

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The New Testament ordinances only mentions one kind of offering - a freewill offering done according to a cheerful, giving heart.]

II Corinthians 9:5-11
So I thought it necessary to urge the brethren that they would go on ahead to you and arrange beforehand your previously promised bountiful gift, so that the same would be ready as a bountiful gift and not affected by covetousness.

Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that always having all sufficiency in everything, you may have an abundance for every good deed; as it is written,

“ He scattered abroad, he gave to the poor,
His righteousness endures forever.”

Now He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest of your righteousness; 11 you will be enriched in everything for all liberality, which through us is producing thanksgiving to God.

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Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own ~ H. Jackson Brown

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Luke 21:1-4
And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury. And He saw a poor widow putting in two small copper coins. And He said, “Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in more than all of them; for they all out of their surplus put into the offering; but she out of her poverty put in all that she had to live on.”

[The widow who gave all she had into the treasury is a good example. It is not how much you give in monetary value, it was based on her willingness to give her all. It is important to not think you should give all your money in order to please God, for Jesus also commanded us to give money to our parents, give banquets and invite those in need and other such types of giving. Obviously, if we gave all our money, we could not give money to these types. The "widow" had no dependents. She had no one to depend upon either, except God.]

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Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own ~ H. Jackson Brown

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Romans 12:4-8
For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith; if service, in his serving; or he who teaches, in his teaching; or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.

[Notice this passage mentions we all have differing gifts from God and then mentions giving as one of those possible gifts. That means God does not enable everyone to give liberally or at all just like some are not given the gift to teach or the opportunity to show mercy, but more than likely we all get some opportunities and some abilities in most of these areas here. So don't try to give just because others give. That is never a good reason.]

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Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own ~ H. Jackson Brown

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I Corinthians 13:3
And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.

[But since I know of no other commands than these for giving, the amount is purely and soley up to the individual. What is required is the willing attitude. Some people give out of a sense of duty, rather than cheerfully. That does not match the attitude the NT calls for. Don't give relunctantly. Give wholeheartedly. Don't give until it hurts, give without hurting. The right attitude will not hurt over it. Of course, it is nice to develop our faith like the widow or give all we have to charity as Jesus recommended but it may not be our gift from God. But we can all give out of love.

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fafacat Give out of love and out of faith!!! THX. 發表於 12-11-17 14:10

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Tithing is not a good base amount, for it may not be enough and it really does not adequately reflect the requirements in the Old Testament. More like 35% is what I've read. Now, don't think that I'm saying we should give 35% either. Tithing is in the Old Testament and we do not live under those Laws anymore.

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Personally, I have given five dollars and felt better about my giving than other times when I gave 200 dollars (US). Because I only had five dollars in my pocket and about $20 in the bank as I recall and I was happy to do it. But there were other times when I gave all I had and I was relunctant. That was not the proper attitude. This is just a personal example, but I base my giving on what the bible says.

Hope this helps,

May God continue to bless you and shine His face upon you.

KNT

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Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own ~ H. Jackson Brown

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