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Re: 發up瘋俱樂部之 <<閒話家常篇>>

我既情緒最波動, 通常都係因為事情發展....不是我預期中咁...我有時反思我突然失控既原因....歸納了, 都是不出於此...

係咪我太理想化? 太理所當然? 定係, 我太想操縱處境..?? 我都想知...

佢....經常都可以如此....坐3小時...等閒....佢在外邊做野又完全兩個人....

在家, 佢連取杯水, 一支棉花棒, 掛件衫..都要叫人服侍......我唔啋佢, 佢就叫個女, 個女唔識做, 佢就叫個仔...

我覺得未必個個8仔都係咁既...佢真係唔會做任何家務...呢個係我99造成...依家我阿仔...都有少少傾向..我都要訓練佢...不要俾人服侍慣......

係...基本上都可以咁講"老公不在你舒服一點吧？？"....
唔計吵架(吵起來就更加想佢即刻走啦)...以前覺得佢在家, 我會安心d, 不用掛心佢在外怎樣....但可能已經十幾年如此, 心理上已經習慣佢不在家....反而佢在家, 又li又路, 一陣又要人服侍..又話要食mug食物....煮多好多野....洗衫又多左....佢又唔執野...返到屋企間屋一定亂好多....總之我就做多好多野啦...

你講得好啱...2仔關閉自己真係好大問題ga...其實我都自己知自己事ge.....

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依據我觀察我阿媽...如果佢真係二仔....咁....二仔真係好情緒化.......4仔情緒化多定2仔呢？好難講，4仔的情緒他同hsp有關也.....例如一點噪音...就好刺激到中樞神經，繼而辛苦又暴燥....只要脫離致 '敏"原，等神經休息relax返，咁，就無事架喇。

4仔最大特徵...應該係畸型古怪多過情緒化的形象吧？？

你老公怎會坐在sofa三小時？？唔累嗎？會變痴肥架？？

其實我同你一樣，阿仔又li又路時，我都會發神經罵佢一餐....2仔和4仔eq都係有問題...不過，4仔最終會選擇唔見人為妙..(老公阿仔走唔甩...)...二仔始終不能關閉不出外.....

老公不在你舒服一點吧？？

睇黎....8仔ge老公都未必適合我...雖然我好想人保護和獨立d....睇黎....我都係鍾意一個人.....

比較不正常而靈裡較感貧窮的人, 比起正常而靈裡不感貧窮的人, 成長的更多......

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Re: 發up瘋俱樂部之 <<閒話家常篇>>

hello...
唔係，係由人所制定之iq test 分數可以由後天改變...你有否留意，一無比返d環境 (正常三餐)呀，特別教育，佢地ge iq可以跌成十多點......

你阿仔真正的iq係唔會下跌，除非佢有些生理上的毛病等等...

我仲有兩篇..才是主菜的文章....你一定要睇埋.....裡面也有講到操作智商和語言智商的差距問題.....等等...以及iq test的種種問題....

Hellomummy 寫道:
睡覺:

睇左篇英文喇....

咁即係......IQ係可以靠後天改變....呢個真係唔出奇...

以前都聽過一些講座, 話可靠後天increase10-20左右....我想係香港既情況吧...因為大部份都係傳統教學...香港既教學模式...真係幾難提升iq....

果10-20係靠d家長花盡心思努力去做....無論在鋪路, 增值課外活動..家庭教育方面等等....

但呢個project講由80increase到120....真係好密集式既訓練成果.....如果真係識教既..都唔係無可能....

即如果我同你都好識教, 又好似果批experimental group咁專心一意去做, increase40原來真係好可能....

我既問題係, 我一來唔識教....太多學問自己要先去學.....二來, 我真係一d都唔專心....你知我.....不會為了只達到某一目標而不顧一切....而這個正是很多專家(eg, 5仔)既強項...

我都覺得阿仔經過5,6年小學課程既洗禮....iq可能已經下跌...(如果再test, 尤其係操作部份, 佢同11歲既人比, 差異可能比小一時更大) 一d都唔出奇....佢2年前在理大參加了一個5天的讀障course.....做左一個評估, 結果係below average....我唔知係因為那是圖像test...即係近似佢小一時做操作那部份(都係少少below average)加上佢果日啱啱同人吵架, 情緒很差...又好熱(佢話..佢情緒好受溫度影響....)所以真係好多combination, 一個分數真係不可tell什麼......

誰會直率地說出所認識的真實？有所認識的少數人，愚蠢地不隱蔽自己充實的心，向愚民們說明他們的感情和見識，他們總是被人磔死或燒死。歌德 <<浮士德>>入來做下test，不同的人對事情有不同的看法和感受﹗

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Re: 發up瘋俱樂部之 <<閒話家常篇>>

hello..
2仔，你會唔會因慣性咁，主動幫家人，不論在家務或其它大小事上呢？一切都幫他們打點好呢？？

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Re: 發up瘋俱樂部之 <<閒話家常篇>>

你得閒一定要睇下，會知好多....
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Assessment and Testing: What about the SB5, WISC-IV, and Other Tests? Kathi Kearney M.A. Ed. and Barbara J. Gilman M.S

March 20th & 21st, 2004

Closing Statemen

Barbara Gilman

Thank you for attending our online conference and providing a wealth of interesting questions and comments.
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Promising New or Still Valuable Tests or Portions of Tests

WISC-IV (Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children-Fourth Ed.) I like the new WISC-IV's increased ceiling; the test offers additional harder questions at the upper ends of a number of subtests. The WISC-IV has eliminated the Verbal IQ and Performance IQ scores of its predecessors.

The 10 required subtests (5 are supplementary) yield a Full Scale IQ score and four Composite scores: Verbal Comprehension, Perceptual Reasoning, Working Memory, and Processing Speed.

The Verbal Comprehension and Perceptual Reasoning Composites are very good indicators of giftedness (Working Memory and Processing Speed are not), that do an admirable job of assessing verbal abstract reasoning and provide very useful tests of visual reasoning with less timing emphasis. I like the Dumont-Willis Indices (check out John Willis's and Ron Dumont's website at http://alpha.fdu.edu/psychology/) to evaluate WISC-IV scores when Verbal Comprehension and Perceptual Reasoning Composite scores are higher than Working Memory and Processing Speed (the WISC-IV technical manual suggests this will usually be the case).

A DWI-1 score can be computed for the combination of Verbal Comprehension and Perceptual Reasoning, while a DWI-2 score can be computed for the combination of Working Memory and Processing Speed. These computations, based on the Tellegen and Briggs formula, could be helpful to schools.

The DWI-1 score would be an excellent identifier of gifted children for school programs, and only six subtests of the WISC-IV are needed to produce it.

The WISC-IV is yielding many gifted-level scores at the GDC. However, some of the Full Scale IQ scores are excessively lowered by Working Memory and Processing Speed scores. As intelligence is primarily abstract reasoning ability, emphasizing short-term auditory memory and processing speed on paper-and-pencil tests is less helpful.

Two Working Memory subtests (only one was required on the WISC-III) and two Processing Speed subtests (only one was required on the WISC-III) place more weight on these processing skills in the Full Scale IQ score. This is unfortunate for gifted children and confounds the FSIQ as a gifted identifier at times.

In the normative sample for the WISC-IV, the gifted group (which had scored at least 130 previously) earned a Full Scale IQ score of 123.5 on the WISC-IV. Their Verbal Comprehension score was 124.7 and Perceptual Reasoning score was 120.4.

However, in line with our experience, their Working Memory averaged only 112.5 and their Processing Speed was 110.6 (WISC-IV Technical Manual p. 77).

Watch how this can affect scores. One girl, age 9-10 earned these scores

VC- 148 PR –147 WM- 123 PS- 123 FSIQ- 147 (Her lower Working Memory and Processing Speed didn't lower her FSIQ.)

But look at these two, who earned FSIQs of 127 and 125

VC- 119 VC- 140
PR- 127 PR- 123
WM-126 WM- 107
PS- 112 PS- 97

FSIQ- 127 FSIQ- 125

The child with the Verbal Comprehension score of 140 (often the best indicator of success in a gifted classroom) really needs to be identified as gifted and her WM and PS scores lower her FSIQ below the gifted range.

The best solution is to use the Verbal Comprehension and Perceptual Reasoning Composites for gifted identification and not insist on the FSIQ.

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SB5 (Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scale-Fifth Edition)

The SB5 has wonderfully advanced mathematical reasoning and spatial reasoning items. Gale Roid, the test's author, has shown flexibility in considering alternate ways to score this test when young children perform at a level far above age expectations, using Rasch-ratio scores. And, he has condoned the use of portions of it for gifted identification (e.g., omitting the Working Memory portion). The SB5 has continued the Binet tradition of being largely untimed.

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SBL-M (Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scale—Form L-M)

The SBL-M remains probably our strongest test of verbal abstract reasoning and has established its usefulness over many years. Revising and renorming this instrument as a test of giftedness would be appropriate. The SBL-M and SB5 show real strengths used together because their content varies significantly.

What are the differences between the SBL-M and SB5?

The SBL-M is wonderful for assessing verbal abstract reasoning--the kind that often defines gifted classrooms where students discuss concepts at advanced levels, compare and contrast ideas, make inferences, debate points of view, and write at depth about issues. This kind of reasoning is primarily assessed in only 1 of the 10 subtests of the SB5: Verbal Fluid Reasoning. Although the SB5 is composed of 5 "Verbal" and 5 "Nonverbal" subtests, this refers to the way the items are administered. Other Verbal subtests include "Verbal Quantitative Reasoning," "Verbal Visual-Spatial Reasoning," "Verbal Working Memory," and "Verbal Knowledge" (vocabulary). So, of 10 subtests, only 2--Verbal Fluid Reasoning and Verbal Knowledge (vocabulary), assess the most important elements of verbal reasoning in the typical sense.

However, because the Nonverbal portion of the SB5 includes Nonverbal Fluid Reasoning (matrices), Nonverbal Knowledge (visual reasoning), Nonverbal Quantitative Reasoning, Nonverbal Visual-Spatial Processing, and Nonverbal Working Memory, you can see the SB5 is a strong assessment of visual reasoning, visual-spatial reasoning (presented both verbally and visually) and mathematical reasoning (both verbal and visual). It emphasizes areas the SBL-M also has, but has less of. The SBL-M is a wonderful test of verbal abstract reasoning, which also has some excellent mathematical and visual-spatial items, while the SB5 emphasizes mathematical and spatial reasoning. The tests complement each other.

It is unlikely the SBL-M will be significantly redesigned to include more visual-spatial items because producing an entirely new IQ test like the SB5 is very costly. However, Riverside would be wise to continue supporting the SBL-M because its content exists nowhere else and it is a proven test of giftedness. Just slightly revising it and renorming it as solely a test for the gifted would be a great idea. I would propose calling it the SB-GT.

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WPPSI-III (Wechsler Preschool and Primary Scale of Intelligence-Third Edition)

The WPPSI-III offers improvements over its predecessor for gifted children. It appears to us to be a better diagnostic test and it emphasizes abstract reasoning quite well. It has two

forms: one for children ages 2-6 (2 years 6 months) to 3-11, and one for ages 4-0 to 7-3 (although we would give a WISC-IV at 6-0). The form for very young children is short (4 required subtests) and only Object Assembly is timed (rather generously). The portion for ages 4-0 and up requires 7 subtests and has a good mix of verbal and visual reasoning in a child-friendly test (administration is more comfortable than with the WPPSI-R for little ones).

The test does have a Processing Speed Quotient, but only one of the two subtests from which it is calculated is included in the Full Scale IQ score. This is a timed handwriting-liketest “You’re Asking Me to Do WHAT With Those Letters/Numbers/Words/Pictures That You Just Told/Showed Me????????” (The Increased Emphasis of Processing Skills Measures as Part of the FSIQ)

Several years ago the GDC hosted a gifted testing Summit attended by several test developers and experts in testing gifted children. As new tests were being developed, the conversation focused on gifted testing needs.

While the test developers were planning a host of measures of processing skills (working memory, processing speed, auditory processing, etc.) to augment reasoning items, all of the testers emphasized the need for tests that assess abstract reasoning ability (verbal, mathematical, visual-spatial) with processing skills assessed separately. Reasoning tests best identify gifted children.

*Perhaps* (and I'm not convinced of this) the inclusion of more processing skills measures is appropriate for lower functioning children.
If the child's processing speed on paper-and-pencil tasks is so slow that he or she cannot complete work in a reasonable amount of time in the classroom, processing speed may be such a limiting factor that it should be included in IQ scores.

Likewise, if short-term auditory memory is so poor that the teacher's instructions can't be retained at all, this is a significant problem. However, gifted children rarely perform extremely poorly in these areas on an absolute scale. It makes much more sense to identify them as gifted based on assessments emphasizing reasoning, provide them gifted learning experiences, and add any accommodations based on relative weaknesses to the gifted accommodations.

A Full Scale IQ score that "averages" gifted reasoning and average processing skills fails to identify either the giftedness or the relative weaknesses.

One test author at our Summit was surprised to learn gifted children weren't especially fast processors. It had just been "assumed" that gifted children would be the fastest processors.

We explained some were very quick; others were reflective or perfectionistic, slowing their speed. We also discussed the gifted child's preference for meaningful test materials, and the problem of short-term memory tests or other tasks that utilize non-meaningful material.

Gifted children usually perform so much better with meaningful material that their scores with non-meaningful material are difficult to interpret. Our concern was that whenever a strand is added to an IQ test that identifies a different group as scoring the highest, than was identified by the other strands, there will be a "confounding" of the Full Scale IQ score.

Now that we have some newly revised and renormed tests, we do have confounding in the Full Scale scores (Note the fact that the gifted group in the WISC-IV normative sample scored a 124.7 on Verbal Comprehension and a 120.4 on Perceptual Reasoning, but only earned a 112.5 in Working Memory and a 110.6 in Processing Speed, according to the WISC-IV Technical Manual p. 77).

The only real way to continue to identify the gifted children who need accommodations in school for their advanced reasoning and efficient learning will be to carefully assess the instruments we have, and choose the ones--or parts of them--that can be useful in identification.

Experts in gifted testing will need to share the best approaches, and some different ways of using tests in schools will need to be established.

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Re: 發up瘋俱樂部之 <<閒話家常篇>>

呢個問題....似乎幾複雜....好呀...睇多d知多d都好...

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hello...
唔係，係由人所制定之iq test 分數可以由後天改變...你有否留意，一無比返d環境 (正常三餐)呀，特別教育，佢地ge iq可以跌成十多點......

你阿仔真正的iq係唔會下跌，除非佢有些生理上的毛病等等...

我仲有兩篇..才是主菜的文章....你一定要睇埋.....裡面也有講到操作智商和語言智商的差距問題.....等等...以及iq test的種種問題....

[quote]
Hellomummy 寫道:
睡覺:

睇左篇英文喇....

咁即係......IQ係可以靠後天改變....呢個真係唔出奇...

以前都聽過一些講座, 話可靠後天increase10-20左右....我想係香港既情況吧...因為大部份都係傳統教學...香港既教學模式...真係幾難提升iq....

果10-20係靠d家長花盡心思努力去做....無論在鋪路, 增值課外活動..家庭教育方面等等....

但呢個project講由80increase到120....真係好密集式既訓練成果.....如果真係識教既..都唔係無可能....

即如果我同你都好識教, 又好似果批experimental group咁專心一意去做, increase40原來真係好可能....

我既問題係, 我一來唔識教....太多學問自己要先去學.....二來, 我真係一d都唔專心....你知我.....不會為了只達到某一目標而不顧一切....而這個正是很多專家(eg, 5仔)既強項...

我都覺得阿仔經過5,6年小學課程既洗禮....iq可能已經下跌...(如果再test, 尤其係操作部份, 佢同11歲既人比, 差異可能比小一時更大) 一d都唔出奇....佢2年前在理大參加了一個5天的讀障course.....做左一個評估, 結果係below average....我唔知係因為那是圖像test...即係近似佢小一時做操作那部份(都係少少below average)加上佢果日啱啱同人吵架, 情緒很差...又好熱(佢話..佢情緒好受溫度影響....)所以真係好多combination, 一個分數真係不可tell什麼......

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比較不正常而靈裡較感貧窮的人, 比起正常而靈裡不感貧窮的人, 成長的更多......

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Re: 發up瘋俱樂部之 <<閒話家常篇>>

(二 ) 續前一篇文章....

My Child Showed a Large VIQ- PIQ Discrepancy. Does That Warrant a Serious Diagnosis, or Is It No Problem At All?

Discrepancies between Verbal and Performance IQ scores on Wechsler tests can be diagnostically important. For example, on the WPPSI-R, a table in the manual indicates that for 4-year-olds, a discrepancy of 10 points is significant at the 5% level.

Another table notes that a discrepancy of 25 points between Verbal and Performance IQ scores occurred in only 16 percent of 4-year-olds in the normative sample. A discrepancy of 50 points occurred in 9 percent of cases. Tests offer such tables to evaluate the significance of discrepancies. (This one isn't too specific.)

However, a discrepancy of 32 points (VIQ-150, PIQ-118) [the example given in the post] should be further investigated.

Verbal items are administered verbally (the child responds to the tester's verbal questioning), while Performance items are administered visually (the child looks at pictures, manipulates objects, completes paper-and-pencil tasks). Verbal items require reasonable speech and language skills (including good hearing and auditory processing).

Performance items require good visual processing, visual acuity, and visual-motor coordination and speed. So, the first thing to rule out when Verbal scores are higher than Performance is visual problems.

Frequently, young children are somewhat farsighted (longsighted)....>>我阿仔？frodo阿仔？ and may have trouble seeing detail. Children may also have good distance vision and healthy eyes, but may have some visual processing problems. Perhaps their eyes don't easily track words on the line of a page (they inadvertently skip to the next line) or they have difficulty changing from far-point to near-point focus (these children have trouble copying from the blackboard).

Or they may have difficulty copying designs, reproducing angles in the wrong direction. Such problems can be subtle in a gifted child who compensates well.

We find that behavioral optometrists are helpful here. They are trained to assess these additional visual processing issues and can either rule them out as problems or prescribe vision therapy, which has been effective in many cases (see for a referral). The book *Developing Your Child for Success* by Dr. Kenneth Lane also describes these issues and offers vision exercises (helpful if you don't have a behavioral optometrist nearby).

If Verbal scores are significantly lower, we first see if there is a history of chronic ear infections and rule out auditory acuity or auditory processing problems. Auditory processing has also often proven to be a culprit when children have difficulty with short-term auditory memory.

Such children may have difficulty understanding the sounds they hear (it may take a little longer to comprehend what is heard) or they struggle with background noise, even when they pass hearing screening tests. Keep in mind that the brighter the child, the more subtle such difficulties may be to detect.

If none of the above problems exist, the VIQ-PIQ discrepancy may mean something else, but ruling out basic problems with vision and audition has proven to be important. The most common discrepancy we see in gifted children is high Verbal/low Performance and vision is usually the culprit. Vision therapy usually requires 6-9 months, with exercises practiced daily at home for 15-20 minutes to be effective.

Tests often give us indications of problems which then require specialists for further evaluation. Following up on such apparent problems can bring extremely helpful results.
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How Can We Accommodate Aspergers, Learning Disabilities and Other Deficits in Testing?

Dr. Deirdre Lovecky's new book, *Different Minds: Gifted Children With AD/HD, Asperger Syndrome, and Other Learning Deficits* (Jessica Kingsley Pub, Mar 2004) might be helpful. My experiences testing gifted children with Aspergers have varied from no difficulties during testing and an apparent enjoyment of the test situation to one young man who required several days to test (instead of one) because it was felt he couldn't function before later in the day and had serious motor problems that lengthened the time it took to complete any written work on the achievement test.

There are many children who present challenges in testing and testers need to develop strategies to meet varying situations (and remain flexible for the situations they've never before experienced). Once in a while, we encounter a child who is so difficult to test that we attempt to document only the most important strengths, so that parents have something until the child becomes more testable.

Parents might try to establish a relationship with a very experienced tester, so that a child feels as comfortable with that person as possible. Then, when testing is tried, agree to discontinue as soon as difficulty is encountered. You can always finish another day.

Of course refusing to finish the test lowers scores. Just because the child in this example is "regularly uncooperative and recalcitrant" doesn't mean that his lowered scores actually reflect his true potential. The results must be considered minimal estimates of his abilities *for now*..

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With Likely EG and PG Children, Is It Important to Seek Testing From Testers Experienced With This Population? (EG PG..就係果d 超級天才也)

It is very important. Children at this level have the characteristics of giftedness, only to more extreme degrees. They will respond best to testers who are familiar with these traits and enjoy them. Testers who are also familiar with their response styles will know when to speed up the administration to accommodate a child who needs a very fast pace (and will lose focus without it), and when to slow down to accommodate the child who offers an initial answer, then continues to "hone" it to perfection.

I have seen experienced testers of more average children test their first exceptionally gifted child and make mistakes for lack of experience with this population. I have observed a tester hearing an initial answer, rushing to administer the next question, and "training in" a short-answer response style, which lowers such a child's score.

Question 2: In general, when working with specialists (such as OT's, psychotherapists, etc.) is it important to find people that have experience dealing with EG/PG kids? Does it really matter?

It certainly helps. One behavioral optometrist in the Denver area says flatly, "gifted children should have gifted vision" and knows to continue vision therapy longer with more gifted children to support their other extraordinary abilities. A local hospital has realized that with gifted children, it is benefiting them to undertake OT when their tests indicate less need than the hospital usually recommends therapy for. It is the discrepancy that is important, so the more the specialist understands about gifted children (including the higher levels), the better. When counseling or psychotherapy is involved, it is important to understand the differences of these children and to avoid simply counseling them to "fit in."

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Re: 發up瘋俱樂部之 <<閒話家常篇>>

我唔知算唔算喎...不過一定既係...我會好心急將要完成既完成左先(例如功課, 執拾)....否則我就會好煩躁, 覺得自己好多野未做咁...在屋裡左騰右騰.....咁有時都會因為心急完成...會幫佢地做埋本來佢地應做既事....例如執書包....

其實一般家庭主婦都係咁ge...係咪呢.?

睡覺寫道:
hello..
2仔，你會唔會因慣性咁，主動幫家人，不論在家務或其它大小事上呢？一切都幫他們打點好呢？？

比較不正常而靈裡較感貧窮的人, 比起正常而靈裡不感貧窮的人, 成長的更多......

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唔好係6歲前test.....大d test 聽聞iq 分數通常只會比前一次高或差唔多......所以.....唔好咁心急也...

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Is Early Testing Valid?

If a young child, say age 4-3, earned a Verbal IQ score of 150, it would be a reliable estimate of highly gifted abilities. He earned that score on a test in which a child must generate his own answers. His score is not a fluke. When compared with age peers, his score indicates he is at the 99.9th percentile. If, further, he has successfully been accelerated, it is testament to his abilities. Giftedness is a permanent "developmental lead," not a temporary one. The idea that children eventually even out is not borne out by our experience.

Responding to a highly gifted child's needs early can prevent considerable frustration. The test scores are only one indication of a child’s developmental advancement. Another is his response to acceleration at school. If he is doing well and likes his placement, he needed the acceleration. A typical child would be overwhelmed, but for a child this advanced, accelerated placements would be necessary solutions. The test scores, resulting diagnoses, and observations of a child should fit together well, and they usually do.

When Is the Best Age to Test?

We set testing age guidelines more for the sake of "testability" with a young child. Children under 6 are more unpredictable in their responses. Sometimes, they will respond beautifully to tasks they like and refuse to do others. Or they may arrive for testing and answer far fewer questions than their parents know they could answer. Other times, they perform beautifully. Most testers would probably prefer children who are 6 or 7 because the added maturity largely eliminates these problems, but educational decisions often won't wait. Many younger children are testable and perform well. Gifted children are cognitively advanced, so there is a good chance they will respond as older children would.

Only rarely do children who are tested young score lower when retested. It is more common that they will score similarly (on a test with a similar ceiling) if the test sessions went well, or higher if there were problems in the early testing getting them to answer questions or attempt items.

If there is a question whether or not a young child is testable, it is a good idea to seek a local tester and, perhaps, arrange a brief visit between the child and tester beforehand. On the testing day, if it appears the child is not responding, the test should be quickly discontinued and tried when the child is older.

"My parents told me some people wanted to test me for the gifted program. I was 4 and kept waiting for my presents to show up."

(What to tell children about testing)

I tell children I am testing that my purpose is to find out more about them and suggest ways to make their education more successful and fun for them (vocabulary varies somewhat with this explanation, but not too far from what I would tell any adult!). I work for them. The tests give me the information I need to make suggestions.

I explain that we are going to do a number of activities, some "verbal" (I will be asking questions), some involving things they do with their hands (puzzles, looking at designs or pictures, etc.). I would say something like this to prepare a child, as well as ensuring a good night's sleep, and bringing snacks to have at breaks on test day.

One little boy I tested told me the following. He said, "My mom says everyone has gifts; I've come to see what mine are" (although this might have resulted in the misunderstanding about where the presents are!) [:)]

How Can I Find a Good Tester in [Insert location Here]?

Try these sources:

www.educationaladvancement.org www.hoagiesgifted.org

Be choosy. You want a good testing situation for your child that offers the best opportunity to document his abilities. Look for people who like working with these children, have high standards of professionalism, and write reports you will feel comfortable using on a number of occasions for placement decisions and program admission.

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收到喇....好長啊.....你已經睇哂了嗎?

比較不正常而靈裡較感貧窮的人, 比起正常而靈裡不感貧窮的人, 成長的更多......

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:-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(

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天空....咩事 :-( 呀......?!??! 乖啦....唔好 :-( ... :-( 得多眼睛唔靓ga....

比較不正常而靈裡較感貧窮的人, 比起正常而靈裡不感貧窮的人, 成長的更多......

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hello..
果真.....你阿仔第時個老婆真係多得你唔少....喇。

我阿2仔媽媽就係乜都幾乎幫我地做..除了我地學校的功課...連我畢業見工都要佢陪...乜衫都幫我地買...

咁樣...作為4仔的我....變得思考獨立，但在現實生活上，真的好依賴......

你寵慣左佢地喇。

今日篇野好長....但以我的英文能力我都睇哂......哈哈，你一定得....睇完，第時我同你溝通li方面的問題....就容易得多....呵呵......

Hellomummy 寫道:
我唔知算唔算喎...不過一定既係...我會好心急將要完成既完成左先(例如功課, 執拾)....否則我就會好煩躁, 覺得自己好多野未做咁...在屋裡左騰右騰.....咁有時都會因為心急完成...會幫佢地做埋本來佢地應做既事....例如執書包....

其實一般家庭主婦都係咁ge...係咪呢.?

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睡覺寫道:
hello..
2仔，你會唔會因慣性咁，主動幫家人，不論在家務或其它大小事上呢？一切都幫他們打點好呢？？

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我亞仔懷疑是"川崎病"是血管敏感.......有3%機會引發心臟病.......依加要看他還有沒有其他病徵, 才決定用不用入院........

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天空..
當我正要去訓之際...見到有人哭得好淒涼.........你阿仔點？點？點？....

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天空..
係唔係因為吃得太多熱氣野引發？？我好似之前看過li個病的少少資料，但忘記哂，只知道都幾.......

佢有驗血嗎？？點解會咁？？ :cry:

:-(

小孩子的天空寫道:
我亞仔懷疑是"川崎病"是血管敏感.......有3%機會引發心臟病.......依加要看他還有沒有其他病徵, 才決定用不用入院........

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咁大件事.....

點會咁ga?!!!!!!!!!!

川崎病....我阿女2個月大時都曾被懷疑....

e生已斷症了嗎?

他現在仍發燒...?

比較不正常而靈裡較感貧窮的人, 比起正常而靈裡不感貧窮的人, 成長的更多......

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未知......但佢身有紅點, 舌頭像士多啤利般腫脹和淋巴腫左.......如果發燒唔退或眼有紅,手有水腫.........咁就要入院la.......... :-(

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hello...
你囡囡點解會懷疑？？有乜病徵...

你地快d寫啦..我精神支持唔到幾耐.....我今天無休息過.......

心急c人喇....

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醫學介未明病因......只道是血管敏感發炎

睡覺寫道:
天空..
係唔係因為吃得太多熱氣野引發？？我好似之前看過li個病的少少資料，但忘記哂，只知道都幾.......

佢有驗血嗎？？點解會咁？？ :cry: :-( [quote]
小孩子的天空寫道:
我亞仔懷疑是"川崎病"是血管敏感.......有3%機會引發心臟病.......依加要看他還有沒有其他病徵, 才決定用不用入院........

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