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依據普遍的聰明定義...聰明=分數數字囉﹗

你講得冇錯...董建華？在一個九型人格網頁中，佢就係和我老公一模一樣ge型格....九號喇。

siu_wing_wing 寫道:
睡覺...

一個無智慧、無主見、無尊嚴，無分析能力<<-----佢落左台lah.....老董ah mah.....

聰明與智慧並重<<-----你講緊自己..?

所謂聰明智慧..實在也可以好抽象好主觀ge...
如果和我老公比較...我絕對承認我係聰明架。
所以和他一起...有一樣好處...終於覺得自己唔係咁stupid..有返d自信心.....

誰會直率地說出所認識的真實？有所認識的少數人，愚蠢地不隱蔽自己充實的心，向愚民們說明他們的感情和見識，他們總是被人磔死或燒死。歌德 <<浮士德>>入來做下test，不同的人對事情有不同的看法和感受﹗

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睡覺....

依據普遍的聰明定義...聰明=分數數字<<<----maybe in school only.....but in real...no..no...no~~
聰明定義 = 怎去處理問題..or 解難方法

睡覺寫道:
依據普遍的聰明定義...聰明=分數數字囉﹗

你講得冇錯...董建華？在一個九型人格網頁中，佢就係和我老公一模一樣ge型格....九號喇。

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siu_wing_wing 寫道:
睡覺...

一個無智慧、無主見、無尊嚴，無分析能力<<-----佢落左台lah.....老董ah mah.....

聰明與智慧並重<<-----你講緊自己..?

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你講得冇錯...董建華？在一個九型人格網頁中，佢就係和我老公一模一樣ge型格....九號喇。<<-------but Tung is a good guy ah.....that is to say ur husband is a good guy too...... :lol:

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siu wing wing..
睇下睇下，覺得你塊臉.....腫左...ge

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siu wing wing..
睇下睇下，覺得你塊臉.....腫左...ge

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比老婆打腫左....衰懶 lor...

睡覺寫道:
siu wing wing..
睇下睇下，覺得你塊臉.....腫左...ge

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發表於 05-6-15 15:43 |只看該作者

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good guy 這個定義也是很抽象ge.....每個人的定義都唔同..

id...ego...superego......一個只有superego的人當然被社會大眾公認為好人........................................
世上係冇真正好人的..............

我發覺我和我阿仔都有一個共同特性...都幾鍾意同人唱反調咁.但真係唔係故意......但就係要和人地ge看法不同吧？？

siu_wing_wing 寫道:
你講得冇錯...董建華？在一個九型人格網頁中，佢就係和我老公一模一樣ge型格....九號喇。<<-------but Tung is a good guy ah.....that is to say ur husband is a good guy too...... :lol:

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睡覺..

there should be a common understanding in the society what a good guy is...right.?

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講起大男人與小男人問題, 似是沒完沒了的話題!

世上無人完美的, 未經改良的, 大男人與小男人同樣難頂, 計我話, 最好是一個流著大男人的血的男人, 跟住改良下, 加入一些小男人特質, 例如溫柔(不是下下大大聲, 最好鄰人都趕來評理), 體貼(老婆唔開心了半年都說不知道), 識煮野(不會將香腸火腿掉進湯裡去一起烚熟就算, 不會在你坐月時買一箱公仔面回家來給你"補身"), 識傾電話(不會只說命令式或查詢式的話), 會幫老婆開車門(自己喺路口落車先趕番屋企睇大長金大結局, 仲唔駛預先通知, 係突然叫你停車, 跟住就走, 要我自己去泊車, 仲要攞住大袋細袋), 有需要時拖著老婆(行街時自己行, 去完超市不會攞野, 不管你已經攞住4袋, 覺得太輕不合他"身份", 重野佢先會攞, 例如攞部電腦去整, 想佢拖住你? 好難! 佢覺得你應"橋"住佢), 做錯事願意道歉(從來不會, 仲要屈番你轉頭話係你錯, 動輒就叫你跪低認錯, 會考慮原諒你).........仲有好多好多, 下回繼續, 是否仍覺得大男人可以讓你小鳥依人?

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理想﹕
在我準備去睡覺時..你終於出場喇，唔見左好多日咁喎？？

講真.....我自己都好喜歡獨處...所以....佢有錢就得喇....有工人要大男人都唔錯架﹗
以前曾有一位四十多歲的叔叔...佢好似係8型黎架....佢要收我做佢ge乾女兒...又介紹佢老婆同三個兒子我認識...買了很多東西給我..例如..奶粉、玻璃杯、圍棋....佢仲話我可以住在他家，並在他家的一個鋪頭做生意，還要給我介紹男朋友...我結識了一位男士，佢會好似偵探咁偷偷去調查個個男人係乜人...恐怖吧？？哈哈...但我卻有被愛護照顧的感覺...

當然...講真...
大男人小男人我都唔鍾意......
我係注定一生孤獨的...怪人係要孤獨一生架....算啦.....認命吧﹗﹗我是一個很難相處的人.......係會咁ge收場架喇﹗ :-(

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睡覺寫道:
如果我老公夠聰明壓得住我...大男人加智慧並重的話...我願意做小女人，願意做小鳥伊人... :-( 聽哂佢話架﹗

我老公都聰明壓得住我, 大男人又智慧並重, 在任何環境都懂得將自己處於最有利位置......雖然我不屬於小鳥依人, 亦不算什麼大女人, 只是有些主見吧! 但我真係無辦法令自己甘心聽佢說話law! 所以次次吵架佢都有呢句: "你成日都唔聽我講......."最近一次我駁他:"我唔係同你十怨九仇, 點解我淨係唔聽你講? 你有無諗過?", 他便無哂聲, 自此態度好似好轉, 唔知係咪開"hill"...........

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所謂壓得住我，唔係用權力或我唔服ge理論壓實我，而係我要我覺得佢ge智慧和分析力或做事方式令我心悅誠服...就係這個"壓住"我...知冇？

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睡覺寫道:
如果我老公夠聰明壓得住我...大男人加智慧並重的話...我願意做小女人，願意做小鳥伊人... :-( 聽哂佢話架﹗

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係呀, 你睇下hello......就明我做咩唔見人........

你令我諗起我阿媽, 佢都好鐘意獨處, 所以我常盈住佢係4型, 佢久唔久就要靜下, even一家人食飯開開心心佢都突然要躲起來一陣, 冷靜下, 佢好唔適應群體活動, 會令她不安, 常在群體中覺得寂寞, 佢一直同我老豆生活無分開過, 但精神上她很孤單, 可能是無對手吧, 其他人呢, 又信唔過, 所以她成日都話自己孤獨, 以前細個唔明, 成日覺得她無病呻吟, 好唔體諒佢, 直至最近, 她才少有承認如果無老豆在身邊, 她就唔掂(指生活上), 你會比她好, 至少你很了解自己.......

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睡覺寫道:
所謂壓得住我，唔係用權力或我唔服ge理論壓實我，而係我要我覺得佢ge智慧和分析力或做事方式令我心悅誠服...就係這個"壓住"我...知冇？

我明~~所以以前我都幾依賴佢, 覺得佢諗過既野, 我都唔駛再check, 但呢part....<<佢ge智慧和分析力或做事方式令我心悅誠服>> 喺生活上可能只係佔好細比例, 我意思, 生活上好多野係太濕碎, 關懷和實際落手支持幫助更令人舒服, 唔駛下下動用大智慧, 但他就是不屑, 個情況係可能常常係佢付出小小聰明, 變相同時我卻付出很多, 阿媽以前話"精人出口, 笨人出手", 可能就係咁解!

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或者佢覺得自己係做"大事"既人, 佢要用另類方法去為你謀幸福, 卻不懂跟你人溝通商量, 在他身邊很難感到被了解被關心, 一樣是孤獨 :-(

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我個仔最近日日睇哂所有心愛TV節目先開始做功課, 要默書又唔溫書, 已經特登買了DVD recorder但仍是要看完醫道才開始, 我已經沒好氣理他, 反正他已被老師天天罰留堂直至暑假...........今晚食飯時阿妹夾餸大著左, 他立即很大聲喝罵她, 我stop佢夾番同樣份量既餸俾佢, 佢話唔要並用力掟筷子, 掟到阿妹塊面, 我奶奶仲對佢話:"你老豆d脾氣咁大, 如果佢喺度就死喇!"(意思實鬧死佢, 因為99好錫佢) 我便忍唔住鬧左個仔一餐, 叫佢有本事走出呢個門口(~因為我知佢性格一定唔會~~)"脾氣邊個唔識發? 忍先難! 點解唔駛理人感受? 點解阿妹食食下飯要俾你筷子掟塊面? 就因為你不高興?........."ngor左佢好耐... 我真不想佢成為佢老豆翻版......最後要佢洗碗謝罪, 我奶奶好奇怪點解佢肯洗........

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唔會喇，大乜事丫，孤獨？...他會孤獨就好了，得閒佢都唔會孤獨...幾乎從來唔會失眠，個腦經常空白一片，儼如走肉行屍...沒有靈魂的身體...佢自己都係咁話.....你話啦..我個靈魂找不到佢ge靈魂，點會唔孤獨呢....
同佢一齊....就好似enneagram咁話，4號最鍾意表達自己，但和9號"合拍"呢，就係對牛彈琴，打個波過去冇人打返黎，對於極需要心靈刺激和滋養的4號仔來說，9號仔是極其悶蛋.......他們的被動攻擊...慣性疏忽...........是4仔無法忍受的...

我的獨處需要..是因為刺激過度...例如阿仔和老公的噪音...疲倦的心身靈...或專注投入於某一事情....或極度憂鬱..其實這個特徵主要是5號來的，
其實我4和5號的分數也很高.......而這個組合4w5或是5w4是極度內向的，但4w3則外向多了，不能單憑某一些行為特徵來判斷一個型號的，每個人都有九個型號的一些特徵，太多人認為自己是4號了，只要覺得depressed的人都常以為自己是4號，每個depressed的人都會想躲起來.....
很多明星其實是3號仔的...3號仔你覺得很糟嗎？周潤發咪就係囉。
你覺得你媽很愛弦耀...所以我才想是3號吧了，因為3號仔很注重自己的形象的...或許她是3w4或4w3吧，要佢自己先知了，或者我同佢傾下計，或許會知道佢係唔係同我一樣型號了，因為要找4號同志，4號人就最敏感了，.......
太多人認為自己是4號...最後搞清楚都唔係...香港太多人憂鬱了...我妹妹最初也懷疑是4號...但明顯我覺得她缺少了4號人的自造文章、發白日夢，嚴重的多愁善感...而且佢太拘緊....最後...當你知道佢真正背後的動機...你就知道佢完全唔係4號了。

你不如比你阿媽自己做下，或看下一些型號特徵...如果佢係4號，佢絕對十分有興趣去研究的....

你呢？搞清楚自己未呀？

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或者佢覺得自己係做"大事"既人, 佢要用另類方法去為你謀幸福, 卻不懂跟你人溝通商量, 在他身邊很難感到被了解被關心, 一樣是孤獨 :-(

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4號和9號的關係
Type Brings to the Relationship

This can be, paradoxically, both a very comfortable-and yet exciting-relationship pair. Enneagram Fours and Nines are both withdrawn and private, sensitive to the feelings and needs of the other and empathetic to the suffering of others.

Both can be tender-hearted and highly sympathetic to the suffering that they find the world and in each other. Both want to find a deep connection with the other, and yet, both also want a certain degree of autonomy and insist on a very real degree of privacy.

Both Fours and Nines can be highly creative, and as a pair they enthusiastically support the other's creativity and give the other a good deal of space in which to develop their talents.

Both are idealistic and want to connect deeply with someone, feeling that they are on a search for their soul mate, the one person in the world with whom they can completely connect and be themselves.

Both Fours and Nines also bring a sensuality and love of comfort that is noteworthy; this may express itself in their lifestyle, traveling habits, and in their sexual and other intimate activities. This is a couple which likes to stay in bed all Sunday morning, reading the papers and talking.

Each brings passion and an appreciation of the other with a desire to be comfortable and build a life with the other. Fours can make Nines become more intense and expressive about how they feel, while Nines can allow Fours to feel understood and accepted for who they are.

Fours are good at naming feelings and pinpointing emotional states; Nines are good at creating an atmosphere of nonjudgmental acceptance Nines may even enjoy the emotional storms and dramas that Fours occasionally get into, feeling that it adds spice to their life together. A lot of the pleasure and passion of this couple is nonverbal in the depth of the understanding that each has for the other.

問題呢？
Potential Trouble Spots or Issues

The biggest area of conflict between Fours and Nines is that each tends to react differently as stress increases: Fours become more emotionally volatile and demanding, while Nines become more disengaged and impossible to get through to.

Fours can feel too unstable and dramatic, unpredictable and moody for Nines, while Nines can feel too unresponsive and emotionally inert, unsatisfying and uncommunicative for Fours.

Nines can become angered by the Four's sense of entitlement and demands for attention and exemption. Fours can become angered by Nines' irresponsibility and apparent inability to learn from their mistakes and experiences.

If conflicts and tensions increase between them, Nines can shut down more and more so that communication stops and they give Fours the subtle message that they don't want to hear their reactions or deal with their feelings.

Fours can feel that talking with Nines is like playing tennis with yourself,-there's no one to hit the ball back—and there is too little relating in the relationship. Contempt for what Fours see is being boring and ineffectual can end the relationship.

TBoth types look for partners who seem to embody some qualities that they feel they do not have themselves: Nines seek strong, high energy partners, whereas Fours seek partners who possess some ego-ideal that they feel they are missing themselves.

In lower functioning Fours and Nines, neither energizes the other and both get stuck in a morass of inhibited anger, resentment, and irritation with each other. Fours tend to give up on the Nines (as being hopelessly inert and dull), whereas Nines tend to give up on Fours (as being too demanding and emotionally volatile).

我們處於這個狀態吧？

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話時話，我昨天發了一個夢 ﹕不過有點亂

我夢見我在大學宿舍內，奇怪....除了女學生，還有一堆其它人，包括男同學、護士等

我夢見我到宿舍浴室洗澡...竟然突然有人進來要"針"水飲...不男不女，我生氣得很...用衣服包著自己....

之後我來到護士那兒...她們問我打針了沒有﹗...原來每個學生都要"打針"，還要打在勃子上...不，其實是靜脈注射，(我在生仔仔前曾第一次吊鹽水，之後做兩次手術都要吊鹽水和靜默注射抗生素....有個實習醫生吉個支"豆豆"痛得我死死下，每次注射藥水時都會痛不欲生，於是我決定叫另一個可能是初級醫生的幫我重新吉個支新的 "豆針"，咁就無事了。)

我看見還有很多同學未來，注射應該還未開始，於是我走回房間，走上床，替我的舍友(以前唸社工系的學姐)邊按摩頭部....邊對她說﹕只有你對我那麼好....我希望替她按摩..她不會離棄我.....但我見她床上另有一男孩....原來是她男友.....
我突然覺得很孤獨....很想也有一個...只有我一個人覺得很害怕...很冇安全感...真的很害怕一個人....

忽然...我記起要去注射....立刻離開房間...噢，除了執拾垃圾的大嬸...其它人包括護士和學生..已人去留空......我周圍找尋護士，希望她們給我注射...但怎樣也找不著.....

醒了....

我鬆了一口氣來....原來...我已經結左婚....仔都有埋......
我不是夢裡那個亂匆亂撞，無依無靠的女孩....不是沒人要的孤單女子....

想著想著...自己已算幸運...如果要和夢中的我比較...我寧願要現在的我....至少...我有一頭家.....我有人要.......我不再孤單的四處飄泊...

所以...多謝你...老公...收留了我這個孤兒....

應該知足了，至少理性上....

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