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彥彥媽咪


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Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

ymon:

你問呢個問題我 2003 時已經講過.....而4年後既今日我再重睇, 都係抱住一樣既 view:

Read here:

彥媽談祟真
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chunkiuBma:

其實係咪間間禮賢會幼稚園都係一樣既呢
===>No....禮賢會係個"堂口" only :lol: 即係佢下面既人搞既幼稚園可以唔同 quality 的, 個 overall objectives 就會跟大隊既, 但質素就真係個別的會有d唔同的, 所以有d 係 popular d, but some are not lor...
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Dear YinMa,

I'm a newcomer and it's my 1st time writing in a chatroom . Sorry I don't know how to chat directly to you so I check the "response box". I also don't know how to type Chinese. I 've been reading all your pages and become one of your fans. You once said that you were looking for some Eng Tutoring class but can't find a good one. Do you have any comment on the toddlers' class at HK YMCA(TST)? It seems no one mention about it here. I also heard that Kumon has Eng class for 3yr+. Any comment also?
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Oh!!!!彥彥媽咪，唔該晒你比d資料我參考！

但我想問如我個區有什麼幼稚園可選擇呢？同埋我囡係06年2月出世，佢係08年10月先係2歲8個月，有d幼稚園會收喇，但係咪比阿囡09年9月才入讀k1會好d呢？不過佢又3歲幾，又會唔會大左d呢？

睇左你之前廿幾頁o既post，未睇晒全部，但都令我知多很多野，你真係一個好叻o既媽咪！我仲要多多學習！

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呀！
剛剛又睇到你答另一bkmami o既問題，你suggest西九o既朗思，我都想過這間，呢間好似係國際幼稚園，咁學費一定唔平喇！
咁如果九龍塘禮賢同呢間，又邊間好d呢？
真不好意思，太多問題喇...............
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yf:

First of all, welcome to join us !!

請問你對1)大圍聖心幼稚園, 2)真理浸信會碧濤幼稚園 同埋 3)禾輋救世軍幼稚園 有冇認識呀? 辺間好d呢?
==> 三間之中, 以 (3) 最多人識爭, 你淨係睇出面"談幼稚園"個邊都已經有好多人話 (3) 依家 waiting list 都好長了, 但多人爭是否就=好就另計...不過, 因為救世軍一向賣點係"蒙特梭利"教育模式, 所以就好得家長推祟, so 你都可以以此作考慮準則, 至於另外兩間, 就以 (1) 較 (2) 多人識, (2) 既地點都幾隔涉, 若然你唔係住正係碧濤, 番學都幾蝦人, 早前我見過有一期好似係"學前教育" 有介紹過呢間, 你有心的話試下去 public library 揾下D舊書睇下佢篇訪問.

有冇咩資料可以幫到我?
==>你問得呢d幼稚園, 即係你係"沙田柚"啦 , hmmm..咁你會唔會諗埋救世軍響乙明個間..?? 另, 去九龍塘你又想唔想先...俾d 你既 decision criteria 黎人地先有得幫你諗架嘛....
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Gennie:

你見到嘉心既野就係好多人見到既野啦....係架...你肯讀, 佢實收, 依家出生率下降, 佢呢d私營幼稚園要求生梗係乜都收喇...之前既野 (批評, etc) 係做比你睇 only la...no problem ar...有時間咪入下黎呢樹 share 下喇...:mrgreen:

對我黎講盈暉台都好隔zip，除非有校車
==> 我印象中 THINK 係有媬姆車架喎...你 check check??


另外想再請教你，你幾個仔都係菲傭湊，咁佢地既語言會唔會講下英文，又講下廣東話呢???表達有無問題呀???
==>唉呀...你問得呢樣又証明到你冇溫書~~ :evil: :-( , 之前有個媽咪叫 "joanthony" 問過我 exactly the same question la....又問... :-( :-( :-( 唔答你呀....自己睇下前面d pages la....乖乖好唔好..?? 你想打字打死我呀~~

我曾經看過一些報導，話佢地係三歲就能夠分開用全廣東話或英文來對話，係咪真呢???
==> 咁係要同一個人 keep 住用同一種語文同佢講就得, 即係唔好d阿媽一時又中, 一時又唔咸唔淡既英語同佢講 (仲係講得d單字個停) 咁就得...唔係的話, 只會仲衰...而且人人發展唔同, 唔一定係三歲, 都仲要睇個小朋友肯唔肯開口講野先, 你知有d細路係識講架, 不過係唔講比你聽之嘛...right?

如果我個仔佢用英文表達好過中文，咁你又認為佢應該讀EMI OR CMI既幼稚園呢????
==> 只係幼稚園 EMI 冇用的, 我前面都已經講過, language 係 SKILLS , SKILLS 係要用時間 train 的, 仲有, 唔用得耐就會生秀, so 只係幼稚園係 EMI 有鬼用, 一陣小學係 CMI (大部份小學 in HK 都係 CMI, pls note...even 喇沙呀個d 都係 CMI 小學, 即係講中文教架, 係d書用英文咁架咋) , 另番到屋企又係全翡翠台, 人人都中文, 咁點會有效果呢...so why waste $$$ at this stage if you are not sure you can continue to provide such environment (EMI) to your kid ? 而且幼稚園得個 3 個鐘上堂, 仲係唔係 part part 都係教 English ga ma...so...how much do you think they can learn here, if there are no reinforcement after that?

再者, 又係提提你溫書了, 你有冇睇彥媽前面d野架...

我一向都支持響幼稚園既階段無須太刻意去揾所謂 EMI 幼稚園, 原因係響六歲以前, build up a positive and correct attitude (value sytem) is far more important than whatever knowledge and skills that you give them, and even to train up their physical ability, attention span, etc...(你有冇睇前面架) 係更應響前面做, so 你睇完先再睇睇你是否仍是想 make the same decision 先丫..


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Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

paulmom:

Hehe..first of all, welcome to join us here too!

你叫 Paulmom, hehe, 咁咪係我 99 lor (我老公叫 Paul ar ma...hehe )

YMCA Toddlers Class
==> 我有留意呢d class, well, I cannot say they are no good at all, but the point is....你要知...好多呢d class is not DIRECTLY taught by YMCA staff, i.e. most of these courses are "outsourced courses", so in that case, the profit margin for those English Centre who co-organised with YMCA 都係為左搞大自己個名, 之後就可以令自己個 centre 名氣大d, then 就間接可以令自己個 centre 收多d學生 or even 令本身 YMCA D 學生"轉會"直接去佢地樹讀, 仲平d 添..so in that case, 基於商業考慮, 又要同 YMCA 拆賬, then 又要分俾老師, so for sure the salary of the tutors will not be too high, 咁試問又點可以揾到d好好質素既老師呢...又或者咁講, 好既唔會幫佢地教, 因為自己都揾到食了, 駛乜去 d English tutoring school 呢類學校掛單呢...??

so 我會咁睇, 當細路仲係細, 我地既目的只係想佢同多d唔同小朋友接觸, 又有機會見下外國人, 訓練下佢地大膽d, 咁就無妨既 (i.e. 4-5 歲以前我都或者會見d course 平平地, 師生比例唔好太多, e.g. 1:4 就最好 or below) 但去得 K3 or P1 and above, 我要佢地就唔係只係 fun fun fun 咁學英文嘛, 而係要有章法了, i.e. grammar, listening, comprehension, composition etc...then 我就會話呢d course 唔會 meet 到我既 requirement la...我會寧願比高少少價錢, get an experienced English teacher to train them in the form of 1:3 something...that's much better, 我仲想睇到好清楚既 evaluation standard (how can I know they have learnt, behaviorally speaking, 要識答我, 同表達先得架嘛...etc) so since 彥媽 is so demanding here, so 一直未 bok 鎚啦, 不過最近我又有人 refer 左間 English tutoring school 比我 (我一定唔會 walk in 去揾架, 要睇 referral, 因為依家 HK 地實在太多人唔係"貨真價實"了), so I plan to try try this one (refer by somebody) next week la (I am not in HK right now ar....will be back this Friday)..


I also heard that Kumon has Eng class for 3yr+.
==> well..do you know how KUMON system works? The most significant achievement of KUMON is that it can train up the kid to be "self-disciplined", i.e. they can be able to do the homework on their own, w/o much (or even no) supervision...and this could relieve parents' quite a lot, and train the kid to be independent, however, the other side effect of doing so will be the boredom that attached with this system, all kids need to do the KUMON exercise repeatedly from time to time, and I have to say, not all kids could be able to stand with that.

另一方面, KUMON English 係靠聽 DVD 練讀音的, 即係屬於較單向性既 learning, however, language training would rely very much on two-way interaction. So in that case, I dun think kids will find that too interesting, they will just do the exercises with an objective just to complete it (bcos mom needs me to do so) instead of doing that with a learning heart.

仲有, 佢地係會有 centre tutor to teach them with English, but I really wonder about the quality of the teacher there, KUMON 係 franchise business, 個d tutor 只係 learn how to use KUMON exercises when they run their own centre, 唔係 learn "English", 所以佢地d英文水平都可以好參差的, 因此, 我之前俾大仔試過 (因為有 free trial) 但最後都冇 continue 就是如此.
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Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

ymon:

同埋我囡係06年2月出世，佢係08年10月先係2歲8個月，有d幼稚園會收喇，但係咪比阿囡09年9月才入讀k1會好d呢？
==> 其實所d謂收你 (08 Oct) 係因為政府規定要足 2 歲 8個月先可以讀 K1, (same as N1, 一定要足 2 歲), 但一般學校係 9 月新學年, so 佢地唔會 bother 成日有人插班 (咁老師好難搞架嘛...日日有新人番學) , so 一開學之後就唔收, 要收都係學期中, 即係下學期呀咁, 好頭好尾喇), 但...有d 都肯收唔多唔少係因為 (1) 唔夠生意, 多得一個學生得一個喇...所以你唔駛旨意d 所謂名幼稚園肯咁收法 (2) 正面d睇, 有d學校都會因應家長既訴求 (e.g. 真係屋企冇人湊, 所以要早d返學, 父母先可以出去返工 etc) 而俾你半途插入的.

但無論點都好, 即使你響中間 08 Oct 入, then 到 2009 都係要讀番 K1 ga wor...so 你係咪 OK 先, if 係咪都係 2009 Sep 先讀 K1, then why not wait till that time and even 讀, 都 continue N1 instead??


不過佢又3歲幾，又會唔會大左d呢？
==>點解咁諗....你咁諗 1 月1 號出世個個咪仲"慘"??, 學習最緊要係學到, i.e. create sense of SUCCESS, 唔係 sense of failure, so 在一般情況, 雖則唔可以話細仔學得一定慢過人, 但我地就絕對有理由相信大d 學野會快d, 因為佢地既 development 會較一個同年 12 月 born 既快, so even 讀埋同一年既幼稚園, 反而會較易做到學校既要求, 咁唔係好d咩..??

另...唔好俾 HK 既教育制度嚇親以為越早讀書就越好先得架, 係 HK 人鍾意"行前d搭的士" 個種心態人人亙相影響而比較之嘛...外國好多係 4 or even 5+ 先讀架喇, 又唔見佢地"唔好"???


睇左你之前廿幾頁o既post，未睇晒全部
==> 我知丫, 睇你問既野就知你未溫哂書, 不過見你冇 repeatedly 問我答過既野就唔嬲你啦 (講笑) 快快每日去溫少少書先黎傾喇...



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ymon:

你suggest西九o既朗思，我都想過這間，呢間好似係國際幼稚園，咁學費一定唔平喇
==> it is not cheap ga....but 佢"客路"唔同丫嘛...so for those who put English as priority 既, they will like "THINK" la..

比我揀...我會揀禮賢

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Dear Yinma,

Thank you so much for your rely and I really appreciated you put a lot efforts to answer in such details. I feel you are just like a god who knows everything and so kind to share with everyone. I hope you can share with me when you find a good Eng class.
I like to tell more about me as you have typed a lot and I don't want to leave like this. My son is going to PC K1 2007. That's why I searched for info on PC and I found your site. As many other PC moms might concern PC is CMI so they try to emphasize on Eng tutoring for their kids, to me it's nothing wrong. Therefore I have joined the playtots class in YMCA (My 1st one and I have no comparison). As you said learning Eng is a long process and need reinforcement and more... For better or worse, Eng tutoring class gives the kids a place to learn or contact Eng, with other peers. It's like building up their interests first and we can talk about learning later. I know it's hard to find a good one in HK as it's a commercial society (like you mention above and I believe what you said). But sometimes doing somthing is better than doing nothing.
I feel the same way about Kumon as you mentioned but I thought your big son joined them before so I just asked. I hope you can share with me if you have time about your experience with classes(any kind) so I can learn.
Thanks again!
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彥媽,

Saw your reply to whitesheep about the diff "selling points" of current KGs, wants to again!

"再者, 好多呢d model 都係 developed by other countries, 咁提倡呢d model 既學者又有考慮到幾多 cultural differences 既影響呢? "

I agree some "qualities" or developmental process are universal, but not all. Very agree on this point.

"When East Meets West...美國佬講野就講到嘩嘩聲喇, 但佢地呢d 乜乜 business model 入到大6又有幾 work 呢"

Frankly speaking, I even don't see any "Doman" model in my neighbourhood as recently I am exploring the different pre-schools here in LA, I really think it's a "business model". One more point: westerners are really very diversed. Here near our home in LA, I saw diff kinds of pre-schools: some well-structured like that in HK, some are so free.... And the parents will not say that the latter is a "bad" school, they just need to choose whatever suit their kids.
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paulmom:

icic...welcome to PC then!!

Thanks for your compliment ar...I am not a god, hehe but just a nosy mother who really wanna know clearly what I am doing before I made any choices and recommendations only. And I love to explore about education - simply bcos my job relates quite a lot with this la... :mrgreen:

As I always emphasized, PC is NOT a "bad" school as people may think simply becos it is a CMI, cos training up a kid should never rely on language training only, but a holistic approach to bring them up, so PC is aiming at this, thus it never surprised me that the amount of resources they put in English is not as much as other schools who claimed to be EMIs. So I would never "complain" about their English standard (yet they are improving quite a lot already as compared to 4 years ago), cos I know so well about how well their English standard is...and I always believe that, if I found that's not enough, there are so many ways and resources outside which could help me to compensate this, that's why my sons are still at PC till now.

But I just feel very sorry that quite a lot of parents want to apply PC (a CMI school), yet on the other hand, keep comparing PC with other EMI schools saying that "We need a NET!", "Why is there only half an hour NET taught lesson!", "I wish my son got good English!", etc....Well...I do think parents got to think carefully what they are their ultimate objective about their kid's education before they enrol them to any of the schools in HK - give and take, a very simple principle here...so I always said, dun just enrol PC becos it is a through-train school, we gonna look at things from different aspects, if English does matter to parents, then why choose PC even if it is a through-train school, right?


But sometimes doing somthing is better than doing nothing.
==> agree with you at this point, as long as there are no better choices we can find at this moment, the "best" one among all the current alternatives should be the "best" choice then


I hope you can share with me if you have time about your experience with classes(any kind) so I can learn
==> sure, as long as all of you are willing to spend time here...彥媽一定得閒就響樹吹吹水先...呵呵~~~
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Morning, 彥媽，
我幾早就溫書..... 哈哈！
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彥彥媽咪,

冤枉呀大人 :-( ，我有溫書呀(雖然未溫晒 )，我係想問其實大中彥會唔會一句句子入面，會中英"甲"雜呀，因為我一路都係講廣東話，工人講英文，但係比我發現我個仔，<綠燈>佢講成<green燈>，我想知道佢地係咪大
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彥媽媽,

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請問你知唔知TKO茵怡幼兒園好唔好?

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Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

想問問深水埗崇真幼稚園, 算唔算比較好既幼稚園. 佢地既language 同宗教培育好似都唔錯. 如果德福幼稚園同崇真, 程度是否差好遠.
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Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

想問問深水埗崇真幼稚園, 算唔算比較好既幼稚園. 佢地既language 同宗教培育好似都唔錯. 如果德福幼稚園同崇真, 程度是否差好遠.
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Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

BigPig:

一見你個問題, 唔答人地住都要答你先... :evil: :-( 因為...

早兩日先有位媽咪呢頭問完, 依家你又問...又係祟真...嗚嗚...即係你冇 continue 溫書呀... :-( :-( :-(

Please go back to P. 85 of this forum la

我響 07-05-07 17:29 寫個段呀....:mrgreen:

但有一個可以答你 here...hehe..

就係: 若問德福幼稚園同祟真比, 兩間我會揀近d, 校舍企理d個間喇..因為老實講, 以幼稚園 level 黎計, 真係間間都差不多的, 分別只在於有d有小學掛勾而較有優勢而已, so if you are interested in 祟小, then 祟真可以考慮, whereas if you are not aiming at 祟小, 就冇必要讀祟幼了, 除非佢響你樓下啦...
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