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子爵府

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Re: 彥媽與你 BB 讀書/學習交流站

ericter:

1) 請問以學術成績而言,私小你有何推介呢?(我的是女兒)
私小 HK 地唔係多, 所以大家爭黎爭去都係個幾間 only, 你個係女, so DGJS, 德望, SPCC, St Clare, Canossa (中環個間), St Paul Convent 都係d家長首選, 之後, 宣小, 聖母, HK 同九龍既真光, SFA (Shek kip mei 個間), KTS, 禮賢, 培正, 培道, 都係多人考的, 啟思/啟基都係.

2)請問以學術成績而言,直資你有何推介呢?
直資 at HK 係 "new product", 根本未有"成績"可言, 要睇都係睇個d 百年老校轉左直資既成績啦, 但呢d多數係名校, 成績本來就有番咁上下的了, 因此, 又唔可以話直資係好d咁啦.

我一向都係較傾向睇住績而選校的, 因此 most DSS 我都係持觀望態度 at this stage.

3)我見一些直資中學的網址上,寫中四開始的學費乃根據教統局規定,咁其實即係幾多?又或者可以點計?
==> 你可以直接上去該 DSS 個 web 樹睇啦, 佢地有寫的. 但因為新既 DSS 都未有中四多, 所以收費都未必依家就有寫的, 但 normally 應會高過 F1-F3 既收費. 因為就算係津中F4-F5 都要俾學費, so DSS 應會仲多dd.


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1062#
發表於 07-6-12 14:37 |只看該作者

Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

Hi, 彥媽,

唔好意思呀, 我想問吓你對"德望學校" and "優才書院"有乜評價?
因為我住tko, 冇乜心水中小學...

Thank you
Thank You


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發表於 07-6-12 14:43 |只看該作者

Re: 彥媽與你 BB 讀書/學習交流站

ericter, 小 wah B:

德望 ==> 有朋友有兩個女都 studying there, 佢話呢間學校唔錯, 但功課都唔少, 另相比 DGJS 佢英文程度唔夠 DGJS 高, 但比起 other 一般既 Band 1 school 已經係唔錯的了, 學校較傳統, 典型修女學校, 幾講守規的

KTS ==>通常係 back up choice, 佢程度唔係差, 但多數d家長都係考唔到 DGJS ar, DBSPD ar, SPCC ar, 又派唔到好津小之後就會揀佢. 佢派位都唔係話差, 不過就係唔夠 other 的私小出名咁啦

St Mary ==>津校之中係 top choice of most parents with gals. 但程度都幾高, 又或者咁講...叫得"名校"個d, 要保住個招牌, 都一定唔會教得淺, 唔係第日d "product" 唔掂咪死火...?? 但因為佢收生係冇得揀, 所以好睇d學生頂唔頂得住喇...而所謂頂唔頂得住就係好睇父母如何"協助"學校去 back up the kids la...唔係的話, 齋靠自己咁去讀, 除非個學生真係自己好得, 唔係的話, 唔好心存僥倖. No free lunch 的.

DGJS ==> 唔駛多介紹, 程度係高, 因此入面d學生自己都會俾壓力自己的了, 好既方面睇, 入面d學生自信會好高, 但亦相對會有人唔掂要轉校, 因為學校內比較競爭既氣氛會相當濃烈, 就算學生之間唔會, 父母之間都一定會, 冇人想自己個女做 last one 的, right? 所以爭一分都可以好大 difference, 好唔好就見人見智了. 得既係唔怕試, 入得到的亦要有心理準備大家一齊長期作戰, 就是如此. 一分耕耘一分收獲喇.


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1064#
發表於 07-6-12 14:55 |只看該作者

Re: 彥媽與你 BB 讀書/學習交流站

E888:

本來我們想讓仔仔念St. Catherine,結果仔仔也上了培正,我們喜歡培正但不喜歡中文中學
==>既然你唔可以接受呢間學校 offer 既野, then why 要入去? 唔好因為佢有一條龍就去, 你係唔鍾意的, 俾個有三億身家既老公你又如何, right? 當然, 你係唔係可以揾到一d you feel comfortable 既 ways to overcome such "weakness" of the school is another story, 諗極都唔 feel good 的, leave it 吧.


小學再出去考,但了解培幼比較淺,可能很難考出去
==> 佢淺好難考出去係 one point, 因為多數高一線的學校對英語水平要求都幾高, 培幼 K3 都係教好少野的, 所考出去係有難度, 而另一個 point 係入得培幼就唔得搞珠, so 考津小更唔駛諗, so you better think carefully. Give and take game here. 世事永遠都唔會兩全其美的.


聽說培正是一所很傳統很傳統的學校,仔仔相當活潑好奇,不知道老師會不會覺很煩
==>"很"傳統就談不上, 不過係老派d就真既, 尊師重道呢類規矩都幾講究咁啦, 但就算有投訴, 煩都係煩個家長而已 (成日會同你反影咁啦), so 你 take it easy 係冇問題的 (有邊個細路唔反斗架), 入面d老師又唔係第一日教書, 有咩人未見過丫, 只要家長肯配合, 內外夾攻 (教小朋友規矩 etc) 係冇問題的.

而且, 人會受 influence 而 change 的, so 遲d小朋友都會學會守規的, 問題係家長們喜唔喜歡 such way of teaching only la...你接受到就得.






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1065#
發表於 07-6-12 14:59 |只看該作者

Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

muiz:

德望
==> 後面有答過, you read there.

優才
==> 新興 DSS school at TKO, 好多人對新校都鍾意, 一來因為校舍夠靚, 設備一定比舊既學校好, 二來新人事新作風, 對校長許下的承諾自有相當期望, 所以好多人揀, 就係咁, 但在我, 我都講過, 我對呢類新校一向都係抱觀望態度的, 因為講就天下無敵, 做就有心無力既例子我見太多, so 依家冇 comment 可言, 遲d睇下佢d "product" 係點至講啦....



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1066#
發表於 07-6-12 15:37 |只看該作者

Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

彥媽媽:
唔該哂,但係你答漏咗宣小,聽說程度不及kts,但派位較好,真的嗎?


子爵府

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發表於 07-6-12 22:46 |只看該作者

Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

ericter:

oic...sorry, 補番 here:

宣小, 程度都唔係淺, 傳統學校一間, 英語係佢既賣點, 你睇佢個校網有寫的, 派位都唔算差, 所以家長都喜歡.


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發表於 07-6-12 23:05 |只看該作者

Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

彥彥媽咪,

Last time you recommended 明我kindergarden, is this the one you referred to?

http://www.dominicsaviokg.org/page1.htm

thanks!


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發表於 07-6-13 10:19 |只看該作者

Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

Here’s a “what if” scenario:

Say I use my mom’s home address to enter the draw for P1 (eg draw within Net 11, but we live in Southern district). Unfortunately, my girl didn’t get allocated to the school I like. So I go to my preferred school to request for interview. When the principle interviews my girl and asks her where she lives, should I teach my girl to LIE???

I am sure many people will do the same. just wonder how they handle this case or how will they answer such question.


子爵府

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發表於 07-6-13 10:26 |只看該作者

Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

aprilk:

When the principle interviews my girl and asks her where she lives, should I teach my girl to LIE???
==> This is an ETHICAL issue here, and that links with your own ethical values. You are the one to decide, not us.


I am sure many people will do the same. just wonder how they handle this case or how will they answer such question
==> You may go to ask those people and check with them how they answer.

My motto is : whatever others do =/= what I will do, I will only do what I feel comfortable to do. That's it.




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Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

kamanip:

Last time you recommended 明我kindergarden, is this the one you referred to?

http://www.dominicsaviokg.org/page1.htm

==> YES

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子爵府

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發表於 07-6-13 15:27 |只看該作者

Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

ensonmama:

我諗我地真係阻你好多時間,
唔計資料搜集, only打中文字都好花時間下
==> 又唔好咁講, 其實我唔介意打字, 我一向都係不吐不快個停人, 但......又容許我響樹又拉遠少少講下: 其實我講幾多都冇問題, 但真係好怕同一樣野講完又講, 因為係得呢個 forum 耐, 真係乜人都見勻, 我成日強調呢個 forum 雖則係亙相交流, 但都唔可以旨意人地乜都"老馮"地答你+要答得 detail 的, 好似我見出面d forum 好多媽咪一開口就問, 叫人rank 某d school , 仲要就每一個 item (e.g. environment, 升小升中, 交通...) 去 commment....嘩...我心諗...你問一句, 知唔知人地要答一板架....so 有人答你至奇, 連最基本既資料搜集都唔做就 expect 人地解答...老老實實, 一定唔會有人啋佢....就算答都係個d 只比 1, 2, 3 你, 亦唔會得閒同你 explain why they made such choices, 咁問黎都冇用啦....此種問野方式好有 spoonfeed 之感, 我就冇乜興趣回應 - 所以我寧願 lei 響呢樹同d志趣相投既媽咪傾下分析下好過.

但我明好多時出面太多 topics 開左, 好難揾, 所以會有上述情況...因此先整個精華篇俾d新手媽咪, 希望可以有條理d介紹入學既野, 咁就唔駛又問埋d 重覆性既問題啦, 有d野...if 連 basic understanding 都未有, 係真係好難傾得埋欄架嘛...



另外, 我真的討厭世襲&信仰我計分方式,
十分十分之不公平, 我覺得好岐視,
==> 呢點.....唉....比我我都唔 likey, 但平心而論, 呢個世界無論用邊種方式去派位都有人歡喜有人愁的了, 所謂既得利益者嘛...你試下改左個個計分制丫, 到時有大哥大姊讀緊個d 一定又嘈 je, 無他既, 影響佢利益丫嘛....講到底, 一牽涉到利益上既野既時候, 人就係自私架喇....我地呢d家長唔開心係因為我地唔可以響呢點上有利益丫嘛....若我係受益者的話, 我都唔敢包我會"公平"去睇呢件事喇....right??

So....都係個句, 唯有做好自己, 影響一d自己可以影響既野啦...:cry: :cry:


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1074#
發表於 07-6-13 17:43 |只看該作者

Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

多謝彥媽既資料, 係office hour煲埋餘下四十多頁既post, (呵呵, 好在冇比boss見到 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ), 對於我呢個新手媽咪實在係獲益良多! 亦copy & paste d content 係word file, easy for future reference ar ma...

Thank You
Thank You


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1075#
發表於 07-6-14 17:31 |只看該作者

Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

彥媽,
After reading the "彥媽談培正 (3) - 附頁" at your 精華篇, I would say, the way (for both kids and parents) ahead seems really "challenging".

Quote
"為了提高子女考試的競爭力,絕大部份的學生也有補習,即使沒補習的 (如小女) 也要在應付沈重課業之餘做不少額外考試操練,以確保每科也有86分或以上 (86分或以上是摘A的分數),不少學生和家長也會感到很大的壓力。我認識的一些家長,就因孩子的學習問題而長期失眠,或神經衰弱,以致身心俱疲的。"

==>I recall that at the time when I was still a primary school pupil, I even didn't have the idea of how much I should score to get an 'A'. I would say, life at our time is much much healthier! I really don't want to put myself and my kids to such situation.

Sometimes, I would think, if the kid's abililty is high, you need not to push him like this because he will find a way of learning which he feels comfortable, in such a way, he will not be under unaffordable/unnecessary stress and of course, his scores may not be as high as those who are trained to do so. If the kid's ability is not up to the minimum requirements of the school, I would rather find another school for him which suits him more. (Kid's ability here only means how well he could cope with HK's education style and system.) Learning is a life-long process, as parents, the most important is to encourage and introduce our kids to have a correct attitude and value of life.


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發表於 07-6-14 17:58 |只看該作者

Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

By the way, its obvious that parents nowadays, give too much pressure on themselves and their kids. Every year after the results of kindergartens' interview were announced, there are so much parents discussing the reason why the kgs didn't take their kids, somebody say, parents' background, some say their address etc. You can imagine, how their kids would become in the future. :cry: :cry: :cry:


子爵府

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發表於 07-6-15 00:16 |只看該作者

Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

Emanuel:

大家又黎有感而發下丫...

challenging
==> 你講得對, 基本上係 HK 讀書就係 challenging, 因為人多, 個個想讀既學校少, 人人爭親來來去去都係個幾間學校而已, 有乜辦法唔 challenging 呢...(依家小學中學就爭入 La Salle 呀, Maryknoll 呀咁, 第日入 U 何嘗唔係死要爭入 HKU 先, 唔得之後係 CU, UST, 你睇有冇人 1st choice 係樹仁嶺南丫...唉...)

所以其實根本有好多學校係收生不足的, 但就算人地出埋免費校車, 津貼埋書簿費都冇人報, 搞到要殺校, 為乜呢...?? 我成日好想問問家長一個現實既問題....唔該老實作答:

好多人常常讚賞"鮮魚行小學" (guess you have heard of this school too, right?) 佢地校長梁紀昌有好好既遠見, 辦學既熱誠, 又話校長同老師都好有心, etc...但....我真係想知, d 家長讚得佢咁緊要, 又唔見佢地將子女送入去讀書...??? (先唔好理佢唔近屋企呢d hardware)

嘿嘿..無他既, 我...作為都係人地阿媽...我可以好老實答, 我唔會...點解...?? 因為 HK 人既 culture 就係 collectivism, 越多人爭既先係越好, 越多人讀既學校先有機會 ask for 更多 resources (both from government + parents) 亦因此而更容易 produce 優秀既學生, 我本來都唔認同此 norm, 但奈何呀, 我唔介意我阿仔讀鮮魚行係冇用既, 第日d優秀英中一見你係鮮魚行出黎既你估佢又會唔會考慮你呢...?? 第日見工你估佢又佢又會先揀個鮮魚行既 No. 1 定係一間 XXX 天主教既 No. 13 呢? (都唔好攞黎同 DBS ar, La Salle 呢d比了)

我睇見新聞講梁校長連幫學校改善教學資源既 budget 都冇, 只可以問d 大公司攞佢地一d 佢地唔要既二手 outdated 電腦, 個心好難受...點解教育會變成"有錢先有得揀, 可以好d享受, 冇錢就要捱破破爛爛既校舍丫", 乜教育唔係應該人人都有相同既待遇既咩...?? But sorry, this never happens in HK.

我唔喜歡呢種 stereotyping, 但無奈我一人之力根本改變不了 HK 呢個"勝者為王, 敗者為寇"既觀念, 當 HK 大部份人 (including 家長) 都係咁睇 (你可以話係個教育制度做成) 既時候, 我又點可以俾阿仔去 "take risk" 去讀一d 唔知得唔得既學校呢...?? 當我無力去 change the culture 既話就要 fit in, 問題係我點樣可以 fit in just the minimum 咁啦....

有好多野真係好現實, "巧婦難為無米之炊", 再有心辦學既人, 遇著冇人 support (唔係心 only, 係 $$$ to be realistic) 又如何...?? 還不是落得要俾人殺校...??

若我真係一個有錢人, 我一定出錢幫鮮魚行 (可惜今日個 4 千幾萬 Mark 6 唔係我中), 俾足夠既 budget 梁校長等佢可以揾更高質素既老師, 改善學校, then 自然就可以吸引更多家長送子女入讀, 有人讀先有得教, 之後先會有機會表現俾外面d人睇我地d "product" 係得既, 係冇...??

因此, 唔好講名校了, even 普通學校, 都一樣會某程度上"迫"學生去追上程度, even 父母都係, 因為冇人想自己個仔做蘿底桔, 去得d 程度較認真既 (this include Pui Ching here) , 你唔想鬥唔係問題, 不過就係正如附頁個位家長分享, 爭一分就係一分, 當兩個只能活一個既時候, 你估d家長會點做?

我可以講既係, 依家我大彥係小一, 我都已經 feel 到家長之間既競爭了 (何止有你講個d 左估右估學校鍾意咩學生個d家長, 仲有好多問你同阿仔讀緊乜, 但你問佢佢又唔講你知, 原來佢聽完你講之後背後即刻去 catch up 做多你十倍呀...) 我從來唔介意比人知我仔學緊乜, 忙緊乜, 因為我信做好自己最緊要, 但當你知道原來好多家長都係個d 睇你做乜佢就一定睇, 但就一定唔話你知佢做緊乜係更多既時候 (so defensive), 個心真係難免 feel bad ga....

呢d人, 培正都有唔少, 我可以話定你聽, 幼稚園都有d架喇, 不過唔明顯, 因為未有咁多競爭, 上到小學你就會知的了, 上到 higher forms 會更明顯的了.

我能夠做的, 只是不斷淡化呢種感受, 同阿仔講你要攞高分, 係同自己競賽 (點敢同佢講話你低一分就分分鐘要出局呢d壓力性既句子呀) , 做野一係唔做, 一係就盡力, 盡左力唔得我接受, 真係跟唔到既, 就好似 Emanuel 你講咁去第二間好過了, 人係需要響有認同 (recognition) 同成功感 (sense of success) 既環境下成長先會開心, 有動力, 呢點我好明白, 亦因為咁我先選培正喇 (佢已經係所謂"名校"中壓力較小的一間了) 同埋我一向志不在"讀書 100 分"個停既, 只要岩岩升到班我都開心架... 咁我地幾仔 lar 先可以有d free time 傾下第二d野, not always 書書書嘛~~~


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Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

彥媽,
"仲有好多問你同阿仔讀緊乜, 但你問佢佢又唔講你知, 原來佢聽完你講之後背後即刻去 catch up 做多你十倍呀..."
==>莫非真的不能讓小朋友開心愉快地學習?為嘜要攪到好似個戰場咁.可能有d家長见我咁問會覺得我好天真, 但我都想問番佢地一句,嘜你好想咁咩?唔想做嘜要逼自己同個仔去做?彥媽你好嘢eq髙, 比著如果我遇到這麼aggressive的家長我會採取駝鳥政策,遠離呢d人.因為唔想影響到小朋友之餘,自己又冇咁辛苦.

講真我都是間名名哋嘅學校出生(heep yunn), 同學之間點都有啲Competition,但係係良性嘅,a source of motivation to improve ourselves.同埋鬥極都永遠唔關家長事囖.仲有,响呢d戰鬥環境下,我地更加要敎小朋友做人要光明磊落,唔好因為要嬴人而去出賣人格囖.


伯爵府

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Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

睇完你地既發表, 我地想講下我的感受.

我地幼稚園階段, 在我地個班真係未感到這些 (我都已經 feel 到家長之間既競爭了 (何止有你講個d 左估右估學校鍾意咩學生個d家長, 仲有好多問你同阿仔讀緊乜, 但你問佢佢又唔講你知, 原來佢聽完你講之後背後即刻去 catch up 做多你十倍呀...)
覺得慶幸係我地個班家長好願意互相交流 (雖然見面少), 好肯講出自己問題, 聽完人地意見, 當然會互補不足, 遇到坊間好學習方式也會介紹比其他家長, 而小朋友方面又能相處融洽, 這一切也令我覺得當日選培正係無錯, 現在只希望升到小學, 也能有這樣家長與我們一班.


子爵府

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發表於 07-6-15 10:22 |只看該作者

Re: 彥媽與你:BB 讀書/學習交流站 (答問區)

Emanuel:

competition 其實係來自家長點睇架咋....e.g. 幼稚園我已見有家長為個 9 個獎頭都痕埋咁, "好有興趣" 咁問老師個 selection criteria 係乜架...唉....for me, 我就冇興趣知了, 有又點, 冇又點丫....人咪一樣可以日日開心過..right?

表演....有好多家長背後係 "pay a lot of effort" 的, 當然你可視作為"認真"既表現, 但老實講, 個"動機"係乜就要問佢自己至知了

其實小朋友之間真係冇野的, 有都係d大人, 因為依家個個都唔想"落後"於人, 就係 "that simple".

因此, 我都想小朋友可以快快樂樂地成長, 早日我睇"方樹泉小學"個位小女孩 (寫信比溫家寶個個, 事後溫總親自回信), 佢連讀書既資源都唔夠, 但人既鬥志強, 目標明確, 睇見佢講話佢連筆袋都冇多餘錢買一個, 但仍有永不言敗既精神, 我真係感動到喊, 我禽日俾篇文大彥睇, 就係想佢知, 呢個世界永遠競爭既對象係自己 only, 唔係人地做乜 = 我地要做乜的, 即使我地見到人地有d唔公平既玩法, 我地都要光明正大, 做足就 enough, no need to compare. 希望佢聽得明啦...


講真我都是間名名哋嘅學校出生(heep yunn),
==> hehe.....你個個年代d人諗既野, 又同呢代同唔同呢? 我記得以前我細個我讀書個時阿爸阿媽都唔會太"干涉"我 (即係唔理我 ) 所以我冇乜壓力的, 但依家呢個年代既父母 (or even 學生) 都變得好鬼 strategic ga...佢地會識計...要攞多幾多分就係 A, 幾多個 A 同 conduct 咩 grade 就係優異生, so 就好"目標明確" 咁去衝刺架, 以前我個代真係鬼會留意呢d咩, 考到乜就乜架喇...連我夜晚個d學生都有d係咁...見 assignment 已攞到 20 分, 就同自己講考試攞多 20 就得 (40 is passing mark wor), 仲會計埋答邊條就係最易 get that 20 , so 分分鐘答一條 only, 連試下答埋 others 都懶....我都唔明, 咁讀書法有乜用...??? 但你又唔可以話佢咁做唔岩喎...我都唔知點 comment such behaviour...

頭先我剛同一個以前同大彥一齊讀 N1 既小朋友 mom chat (我地好彩依家仲係好 friend) 佢仔仔係讀一間唔算有名既學校, 不過都係唔錯既學校, 我同佢剛講起呢瓣, 我問佢佢間學校有冇 similar situations, 佢都話"梗係有啦", 大家就一齊呻下咁啦, 佢仲提我"小三仲勁呀" (我都知, 小三係課程更深既一個 turning point) hehe....咁當然, 唔會係 all parents 既, 又唔駛 too worry wor...若我真係嚇親大家就好對唔住喇.... :mrgreen: 只係間唔時俾你見到一個半個都會想反肚 only la

其實我講出一d 情況出黎並唔係要因此而 comment 一間學校既好與壞, 只係想指出幸福唔係必然, we have to take both good and the bad la....唔得要一樣唔要一樣, 好多野都係 package 咁去接收既, so 入到一間好既學校已經係一個 good start, 但都仲要好多既付出先可以造就一個快樂既小朋友, 家長當中點樣去配合同睇一d情況而去正面處理都係一個 learning la...


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