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hoyin06


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原帖由 beckypremium 於 09-5-7 16:38 發表
sorry i only can answer in english

i totally agree what you say.

i read times by times about the article here, the most crazy one is, some people ask : should we let the helper has hot shower during ...


Do you know most of the working parent in HK has to do very very long time, no meal, no housing, also can not sit on their boss's chair.

Can you????

Do you know that don't you want news or listen to radio.

where are you, do you know you are helping those maid to hurt our sad Mami & Dad???
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原帖由 winnie_sh 於 09-5-8 02:05 發表

尤其呢段，聽出耳油

請你多D係家傭版留腳毛，就算全雞腸，我都會半夜拎起本字典
我都除時有字典响手。。閲讀Quoquo姐權威既論文。學到野!!!
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上2星期 我c6發現個電streamer最底個層 (用泥放水蒸嘢個底層) 好污槽 咁c6咪倒啲水出泥囉 嘩 啲水係黃色架 即係啲水係好耐冇換過 一直用呢啲黃水 repeat又repeat咁蒸嘢俾我哋食.....嚇到我哋2個cc下...

我想請問下 咁工人姐姐當我同c6係乜嘢呢? 佢當呢度係佢家鄉? 要我哋入鄉隨族? 原來我同c6移民咗去印尼 我請咗個工人返泥屋企做嘢 僱主就要降低要求 將香港一般生活水平質素降低去印尼既standard 但工人既生活水平就要提升至香港一般生活水平質素 甚至乎更高

重有乜印尼人食生肉架 時不時蒸啲嘢出泥生既 望都唔望試都唔試下就放上枱......搞嘢....就當印尼人真係食生肉既 但關我乜事 又要我入鄉隨族 跟佢哋食生肉??

咁小事我都呻...又未嚴重到要入醫院....係喎 我eq唔夠高 忍耐力又唔夠 真係唔應該請工人 或者等我調較到自己一家係印尼人之後 咁應該可以夠資格請外傭
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睇完呢個topic, 若講緊僱主唔俾工人坐埋一齊係sofa睇電視係歧視, 當工人係slave, 咁我係咪應該而家就去平機會/勞工處到投訴我老細歧視我, 當我係奴隸呀??

點解我被我老細歧視緊, 我都唔覺既?? 莫非我有問題?? 我只係知道我黎打工, 要識得分裝/閒, 唔係樣樣野都可以亂黎的. 咁我老細又唔係唔俾鄧我坐, 只係唔坐得佢專用的那些鄧, 咁請問有咩問題呢? d 鄧係佢俾錢買架喎, 唔係係我人工到扣錢黎買的, 咁我唔坐得, 我真係唔知有咩唔啱呢? 若佢俾我坐佢房既sofa, 我俾話佢平易近人law, 唔俾我坐, 我真係唔覺得係咩問題.

我老細俾家用佢老婆, 咁駛唔駛俾埋我呀? 唔係又可以告佢歧視呀?

sorry, 大家既思維真係完全相反, 溝通唔到! but honestly, 我亦唔想學你所講咁去做, 否則, 我肯定我好快被人dul 左番歸, 唔可以係到做差唔多9年野了.

出黎打工, 要俾個心去做份工, 要懂得尊重老細, 識得分裝/閒. 做司機幫老細開車門, 好平常的, 唔通又話個老細 "坦"有手自己都唔識開咩??!! 呢d就係叫做排場, 唔係要呢d排場, 好多老細都唔請司機啦, 你估佢地自己完全唔識渣車咩??!!

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pollyw


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原帖由 beckypremium 於 09-5-7 16:38 發表
sorry i only can answer in english

i totally agree what you say.

i read times by times about the article here, the most crazy one is, some people ask : should we let the helper has hot shower during ...


Premium,

Your debate doesn't suck at all.

Some of your views, like "crazy not to allow maids to take hot shower in winter" are actually approved in general by majority of employers here. If you read between the lines of other members' views under that particular topic, you'll see.

But your view of "level of wage = quality of performance" arouses debates. Forgive me for saying, this kinda thought would only be perceived by very ignorant/immature ppl like teenagers, and i freaked out on hearing such words from one like you as an adult/parent. PPl with this belief would forever confine himself into a situation to limit self-improvement, eventually leading to disapproval from others. Don't everybody in this community need to do his job properly?This always holds no matter which walk of life one is in, from a class as high as Li Ka Shing, down to a manual labour or street cleaner. Maids are not excused either since they have the right to be treated equally like us(which tallies with your thought), in terms of both "give an take". Having said that, we are not demanding the maid to do the Li Ka Shing's job, but juz simple tasks approppriate to their scope as helper ! Aren't they supposed to discharge their responsibiilty? Ain't anything wrong with this demand, is it?

If you truly have this perception in your personal life, I feel sorry for you and you've got to think it　deeply from this moment on.

I dun mean to debate but juz as a brotherly advise, it's better to think twice when using sensitive terms like "extreme" or "discrimation" for discussions or it will juz end up in shit.

[ 本帖最後由 pollyw 於 09-5-8 13:11 編輯 ]
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irene_the_pooh


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原帖由 happypiano 於 09-5-8 09:35 發表
睇完呢個topic, 若講緊僱主唔俾工人坐埋一齊係sofa睇電視係歧視, 當工人係slave, 咁我係咪應該而家就去平機會/勞工處到投訴我老細歧視我, 當我係奴隸呀??

點解我被我老細歧視緊, 我都唔覺既?? 莫非我有問題?? 我只 ...


有個方法你既可以坐老細張「鄧」，又可以分佢老婆家用呀 --- 就佢坐埋佢大脾呀！
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happypiano


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發表於 09-5-8 11:37 |只看該作者
我肯咁做既就唔揀我個大老細啦, 係都要個再有錢d啦. but我大老細都有度可取之處..................貪佢夠老, 快d死, 可以分佢身家.

原帖由 irene_the_pooh 於 09-5-8 11:29 發表


有個方法你既可以坐老細張「鄧」，又可以分佢老婆家用呀 --- 就佢坐埋佢大脾呀！
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irene_the_pooh


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發表於 09-5-8 11:44 |只看該作者
其實大家討論既論點好似有好大分別，我估其中一個最主要既原因係：針究竟吉到肉未？

到實講，o係香港我相信唔係真係好多人當佢工人係slave，或者唔係因為香港人好心地，而係怕死 --- 萬一比工人告咁點算呢？萬一個工人攪我個人質 (BB或老人家) 咁點算呢？萬一個工人比開心套餐 (漂白奶 + M菜) 我地食咁點算呢？所以大部份都係隻眼開隻眼閉。呢度好多媽媽都會講「我都知個工人會偷懶，但佢做得晒屋企野都算啦」、「我都知個工人打斧頭，但唔係多都算啦」之類！

每個人對幾時可以「算數」幾時唔可以「算數」既價值唔同，但幾時會知道自己既底線，就係當你「親身經歷」到既時候。
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quoquo


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發表於 09-5-8 12:07 |只看該作者
Thanks all. I'm a student here. Learning from many of you, especial Ms Saiwanho & Poly姐. I have to say I 100% agree with "irene_the_pooh". 針而家未吉到你肉, 吾等於以後都吉吾到, 或者好快就到. 但係對於D無要求或阿Q 既人, 可能吉左都吾識叫痛.
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原帖由 beckypremium 於 09-5-7 16:38 發表
sorry i only can answer in english

i totally agree what you say.

i read times by times about the article here, the most crazy one is, some people ask : should we let the helper has hot shower during ...



You hurt me deeply!

Will get back to you for my story when I stop my tears....

Really wish your maid wouldn't ever betray you - stay 24 hr with your sick baby, ha ha!
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pollyw


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原帖由 bbfish1992 於 09-5-8 12:15 發表



You hurt me deeply!

Will get back to you for my story when I stop my tears....

Really wish your maid wouldn't ever betray you - stay 24 hr with your sick baby, ha ha!
唔好喊...齊齊過隔離聽金曲!
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唔駛喊 公道自在人心

原帖由 bbfish1992 於 09-5-8 12:15 發表



You hurt me deeply!

Will get back to you for my story when I stop my tears....

Really wish your maid wouldn't ever betray you - stay 24 hr with your sick baby, ha ha!
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heidicyli


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發表於 09-5-8 16:16 |只看該作者
呢道ｄpost好偏激

有頭髮, 邊個想做癩哩! 但當「你」遇著一個"好"工人時, 你寫既可能比我地仲激:;pppp:
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原帖由 beckypremium 於 09-5-7 16:38 發表
sorry i only can answer in english

i totally agree what you say.

i read times by times about the article here, the most crazy one is, some people ask : should we let the helper has hot shower during ...

Pls Hk people, relax, you of course can express yourself, and share your story, everywhere there is bad and good people, this is normal! but check more article here, 80% of the content is just so unfair to the helper, do not treat them as the slave please, beside, discrimination is always an big issue here in HK


I'm back without tears. I bet you never know what is discrimination.
Anyhow,
nothing wanna talk to those discrimined (isolated)themselves from the society particularly those childish, self-centered but self-admired ppl.
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原帖由 pollyw 於 09-5-8 13:15 發表
唔好喊...齊齊過隔離聽金曲!


Thank you

http://forum.baby-kingdom.com/viewthread.php?tid=2137065&pid=33719696&page=75&extra=#pid33719696
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原帖由 pinkdoll 於 09-5-8 13:25 發表
唔駛喊 公道自在人心


人在造、天在看
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標題: 呢道ｄpost好偏激


邊個D post 最偏激
聰明嘅人一睇就知 >>>>>
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原帖由 quoquo 於 09-5-8 12:07 發表
Thanks all. I'm a student here. Learning from many of you, especial Ms Saiwanho & Poly姐. I have to say I 100% agree with "irene_the_pooh". 針而家未吉到你肉, 吾等於以後都吉吾到, 或者好快就到. 但係 ...


quoquo姐實在太客氣！！！

我的見識只是皮毛，所以屢戰屢敗！！！所以大家不要學我！
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beckypremium


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發表於 09-5-12 14:26 |只看該作者

tks for the feedback

i was sweating when i see so many "feedback"
when i wrote my article some days ago, actually i just read a news about 2-3 HK ladies say on the newspaper they treat their helper like family, and they are very happy together!   this is actually a positive stories.   but in return, there is so much negative feedback from here regarding this news, like : why you treat the helper like family?  they are the helper, and you encourage them to be Boss now????
Ok, that is the reason why i say, pls stop to be so aggressive to the maid

anyway, i want to share some story as well:
i was employ more than 3 helper in the passing years, the first one, always cry and cry and not working as she should, always not happy, phone call w/friends, going out to market for hours...and so at the end, we stop the contract.
second one, i do not remember what is the problem, but sure its the dead end.
the last one,  she stolen our money, even copy our signature on the cheque and cash out the money.  i remember, she has to prepare dinner for 4 adult, so she make 4 pork chop, some fried vegetable, and this cost us $250 per meal!!!!!
all these experience, lost my confidence to hire anymore helper, i do not have times to control every mins.

we do not have any helper at home for more than 5 years, but we have hire the local helper to clean the house, that for sure, she is very good and reliable, since we are in the same culture, there is no need to explain what means "clean", since she is from here, she know very well.
finally we got the baby and we have to hire the helper, since i cannot afford to stay home 24 hours, for my work, and also i am not good mother, and i know its gonna be the new challenge again with the helper!

what i say about discrimination, check other post, some people say, they are all NOT good, they are all evil!   people colour all the helper to be BAD, this is what i means discrimination.

i agree about sitting on sofa issue, if you do not like them to sit on sofa, and this doesn't means u treat them as slave, i do not actually means not allow to sit on sofa the means slaving!!!  this is just a poor writing from me, i write that too fast, but these 2 things are not link together, i think, why they cannot sit on sofa anyway? ok, i understand now, its an issue from difference people, its up to you, not my business.
for the salary, i do not means that you pay 3-4K and what you expect? this is not what i means.  look on other side, when in HK, u hire a person who earn 3-4K, there is always the reason, either they are under-qualification, or they are lack of experience?   so my meaning is, you cannot expect these people are perfect!   n of course, they maybe far away from perfect, and its need a lot of tolerance and times to work out the better result!   means you have to teach and teach and teach!  i think this is why you have 2 years contract?  and yes, they may never really learn, if they are that good to learn, they do not need to be the helper anyway, right?
i agree some helper are evil, but not all of them.  they are suck, i agree that as well, but not all of them.   if on the first day, you already label them to be EVIL, they will always evil, since you do not give a chance.
as i say, i had bad experience with helpers as well, the one now i hire, she is not perfect, of course, she tell small lie (seems this is the hobby of them), she do not clean the place 100%!  but somehow i put everything in a balance, if she do not poison my child, she do not hit my child, and be loveful to my kids, then i will still be thank you.
for the hot water, yes, come on, hot water shower during winter, is that really so much to ask???
anyway, my last word is, i do not MEANS you all mom and dad are terrible to the helper!  i am talking about other who are extremely mean to the helper!   i say 80% of the article are discrimination,  where you know some of the commend  are written by same people on going, who like to say as the commend "yes, all these helper are bad!!" - i means these kind of people...

i do not want to be the HERO, but i think if you are always having problem with your helper, and everyday you go home, you will be angry or disappoint for any small or big thing, you will just end up with the unhappy life.

beside, for all the feedback, i am thankful, but the one who wish my maid can stay with my sick baby...this is really evil to say so.   when i write that on my first article, i give the good example, how much my helper care without sleep when my baby is sick, and this is the thing i put to balance to cover all her mistake in daily life!    see, this is positive story, why people like to turn that and use that to wish me such bad luck???      

anyway, i will not log in anymore, if you still think i am offending you, i am really sorry for your feeling, at least, i just wish you put thing in balance, being upset and disappoint all the times, wont make you happy.
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發表於 09-5-12 16:32 |只看該作者
長成甘...點睇...:-(
少奶奶的身份，丫頭的命...
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