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2仔和4仔的關係.....

理想 + 睡覺 =

What Each Type Brings to the Relationship

This can be a very warm, even passionate, couple when both parties continue to share their feelings openly together. Both are seeking warmth and connection, and both are willing to provide it when they are healthy. Hence, once they have gotten over the initial hurdles of intimacy, Enneagram Twos and Fours can be a safe place for each to share their hopes, fears, and insecurities.

They can be good medicine for each other: Twos contribute sociability and energy, giving Fours the confidence to interact more easily with others. Twos are warm, outgoing, thoughtful and considerate, generous, and encouraging.

Twos are also practical and action-oriented, willing to pitch in where needed and to do the things that need to be done, no matter how unpleasant or unglamorous.

To this mix, Fours bring creativity, a sense of humor, a willingness to laugh at human foibles, and emotional honesty. They see their own craziness and their own falseness and they do not try to varnish the truth of their quirks from themselves or from the Two.

Fours also bring a sense of beauty and of subtlety into the relationship: they care about how things impact on themselves and others, and so they go out of their way to arrange their world to be more aesthetically pleasing, allowing the Two to feel more relaxed and nurtured.

Fours also bring emotional depth and sensitivity to their relationships, a sense of mystery and unpredictability, sensuality and sexual freedom. In short, Fours invite Twos to take a closer look at their deeper needs, the truth of who they are and what they actually feel.

Twos appreciate the subtleties and nuances that Fours bring, and Fours thrive in this atmosphere of appreciation. They can lighten up each other with unexpected humor and appreciation of each others' quirks. Each invites the other to mature emotionally, usually without saying so.

Both help the other to stop being so concerned about what others think of them and to become more inner-directed.

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otential Trouble Spots or Issues>>

Usually Twos and Fours make better friends and colleagues than intimates. Surprisingly, this pairing is rare in intimate relationships. One would think that they would be a natural fit with each other: the rescuer (Two) and the rescued (Four), the lost child and the parental figure.

The problem is that there can be too much emotionality and unspoken demands in this pairing for their own good. Twos and Fours tend to have many emotional issues in common-which allows them to understand each other readily while also laying the groundwork for potential problems and conflicts.

They both need closeness and intimacy and tend to cling to anyone who responds to them sufficiently. Over the long term, there is the tendency to become competitive for attention or for one person to feel better liked and more appreciated than the other.

Moreover, Twos tend to find Fours too moody and temperamental, led too much by their feelings and unconscious impulses. They also see Fours as hypersensitive and self-absorbed—and not interested enough in others or their welfare.

Fours tend to find Twos to be too saccharine and artificially upbeat, flattering and insincere to get close to people and to feel needed. Fours see Twos as secretly emotionally needy, desperate for others to like them and seek them out. They can see the Two's helpfulness as little more than an attempt to bribe people for love, which Fours disdain.

Fours might begin to be secretly envious of the Twos social abilities and the kinds of positive reactions Twos generally get from people. Fours can begin to feel socially inept and overshadowed by the charm and popularity of Twos.

Secret shame and the feeling of worthlessness of the part of both can begin to undermine the relationship. It can founder on Fours' feelings of abandonment if the Two becomes involved with others.
It can also founder on Twos' increasingly feeling unappreciated by the Four.

Both begin to see the other as too emotionally needy—and ultimately as more demanding than each wishes to put effort into.

誰會直率地說出所認識的真實？有所認識的少數人，愚蠢地不隱蔽自己充實的心，向愚民們說明他們的感情和見識，他們總是被人磔死或燒死。歌德 <<浮士德>>入來做下test，不同的人對事情有不同的看法和感受﹗

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發表於 05-7-27 22:52 |只看該作者

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可能佢真係當左我係佢阿媽.......掙在未開口叫我幫佢買魚藥水, 扶佢去睇e生........我係咪太nice呢? 但我真係唔識板起面孔去對人.......點好....點好?

睡覺寫道:
理想﹕
嘩，咁濕碎都要問咁多？...你同我阿仔ge 2號仔ge piano老師個情況相差無幾....

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發表於 05-7-27 22:58 |只看該作者

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咁..你跟我學下野...
部分4仔一唔鍾意係會日擺出個臭臉給你看，即使忍住唔臭，都會把不滿講出黎...又或疏遠佢.......
學下我平衡下.---->>.

:evil:

:-|

:tongue:

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可能佢真係當左我係佢阿媽.......掙在未開口叫我幫佢買魚藥水, 扶佢去睇e生........我係咪太nice呢? 但我真係唔識板起面孔去對人.......點好....點好?

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睡覺寫道:
理想﹕
嘩，咁濕碎都要問咁多？...你同我阿仔ge 2號仔ge piano老師個情況相差無幾....

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發表於 05-7-27 23:29 |只看該作者

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不過我想, 問題係雙方既, 亦唔係個個都會來依賴2仔, 果個朋友, 後來我地見番, 發覺她變了, 相處起來都舒服了, 無咁"痴身", 可能佢以前都試過因此被疏遠, 但未必知自己衰mug, 所以, 我始終覺得人與人之間坦誠好重要......可能我既背境, 家教沒有助長我既奉承天性, 咁, 我比較可以坦白對人......而且我絕對會得罪人, 有人話過我講野係一句到尾無彎轉果隻.........

理想寫道:
我想睇妙手仁心, 你先出現!

我既處境就係你所講咁, 近年我試過一次經歷係俾一個識左無耐朋友過份依賴, 攪到好煩, 結果要send一個好直接既email去阻止她的"痴纏", 跟住就一刀切無再煩我, 我都知佢會幾hurt幾痛恨我, 自此後我都已經小心左好多, 同人保持距離, 又將起碼一半想出手幫人既慾念收回, 除非對方真係開到口, 又或者我好肯定我很喜歡對方......

我去睇tv先喇, 廣告再番黎!

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發表於 05-7-27 23:32 |只看該作者

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.........因為......我4仔分數都幾高ga, 所以好多時你講ge野我都幾有並嗚ga!

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發表於 05-7-27 23:35 |只看該作者

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睇完你篇英文, 未吸收哂, 如果有人翻譯下就好了

有無中文ga??

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發表於 05-7-27 23:42 |只看該作者

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理想﹕
冇人會幫你翻譯架......你英文一定好過我....
我會考最差係英文...最憎英文，第一年係E...第二年重考英文一科.....先進升一級...但oral部分仍然是E.....

如果我英文好好，咁我就可以去外國的GROUP好似九型人格GROUP...4仔GROUP....HSP GROUP...度暢所欲言，係香港好難搵到志同道合GE人..... :-(

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發表於 05-7-27 23:53 |只看該作者

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阿5! 快d加入黎啦, 你老本行, 得閒幫我地譯左佢, 唔准收我地錢呀! yee, 睡覺, 咁你咪阿四? 我就係阿二.

英文睇完就算明始終會好快忘記, 唔會好似母語咁d字句印左在個腦度! 當然外國mug都好啦, 唔係都唔會咁多人想去外國讀書, 我就得個"恨"字...

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成日聽你提piano老師, 究竟佢係點ga? 你之前已經識佢? 點解好似咁close咁? 我個女個piano老師, 大家傾既純粹有關piano, 音樂既野咋......

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Re: 發up瘋俱樂部~~想減壓的請進來

睡覺寫道:
理想﹕
不過...唔見你幫下我解決疑難ge？？hee.. 一俾意見4號仔...不得了，沒完沒了反左你ge意見...搞到你好無癮咁....

我認為我已經幫左你law喎, 不過可能不太著跡.....而且, 你d疑難太多, 太複雜, 只有神先可以完全幫你喇!

其實我越來越鐘意相反意見, 因為覺得比較有用(隨著年紀越大, 認同和肯定變得相對無咁重要), 可以衝擊思維, 咁當然, 係善意既啦, 否則係人都會反感ge, 係咪?

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睇黎你既睡魔又急call你喇, 今日到此為止, 聽日起身記住回應番我呀!

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發表於 05-7-28 00:44 |只看該作者

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早兩日在好文分享那兒看到了一個幾:-( 的文章[震撼既文章-我只有八歲] , 我看完之後咪叫亞仔過來看一看, 我想讓他多一些明白世界各地的苦況, 我慢慢的讀給他聽, 他的樣子很哀傷.............

點知他居然跟"睡覺"一樣, 晚上就發了惡夢.......他說看到"細衣"(我妹妹)死了......看到有怪獸入了屋子.............又看到那隻禿鷹在看他.............到了今日連一個人入bedroom放玩具都唔肯............

佢平時聲大夾惡...........估唔到現在會這樣..............

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哇~~~我唔做阿四呀.....唔制﹗唔制﹗......[quote]
理想寫道:
阿5! 快d加入黎啦, 你老本行, 得閒幫我地譯左佢, 唔准收我地錢呀! yee, 睡覺, 咁你咪阿四? 我就係阿二.

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理想﹕
唔得講人地架...人地會怕羞....佢在bk會看到架嘛........
佢係點？咪係2仔囉............差唔多年紀....咁咪講多兩句囉..
:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

理想寫道:
成日聽你提piano老師, 究竟佢係點ga? 你之前已經識佢? 點解好似咁close咁? 我個女個piano老師, 大家傾既純粹有關piano, 音樂既野咋......

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我又係幾惡c 下ge......
我係善意架....心情好個陣時......
只係太情緒化姐....唔好見怪~~~~

理想寫道:
[quote]
睡覺寫道:
理想﹕
不過...唔見你幫下我解決疑難ge？？hee.. 一俾意見4號仔...不得了，沒完沒了反左你ge意見...搞到你好無癮咁....

我認為我已經幫左你law喎, 不過可能不太著跡.....而且, 你d疑難太多, 太複雜, 只有神先可以完全幫你喇!

其實我越來越鐘意相反意見, 因為覺得比較有用(隨著年紀越大, 認同和肯定變得相對無咁重要), 可以衝擊思維, 咁當然, 係善意既啦, 否則係人都會反感ge, 係咪?[/quote]

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小孩子的天空
等我有心情都去看看至得...我最鍾意睇震撼ge文章...

我想你小朋友仲係太細..佢ge小小心靈應該未係時候承擔這些東西吧﹗....................大個d先啦......佢個性格在這年紀仍急劇形成中......等佢大個d穩定d先啦....唔係佢會有陰影架.........

小孩子的天空寫道:
早兩日在好文分享那兒看到了一個幾:-( 的文章[震撼既文章-我只有八歲] , 我看完之後咪叫亞仔過來看一看, 我想讓他多一些明白世界各地的苦況, 我慢慢的讀給他聽, 他的樣子很哀傷.............

點知他居然跟"睡覺"一樣, 晚上就發了惡夢.......他說看到"細衣"(我妹妹)死了......看到有怪獸入了屋子.............又看到那隻禿鷹在看他.............到了今日連一個人入bedroom放玩具都唔肯............

佢平時聲大夾惡...........估唔到現在會這樣..............

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mug你咁"孤寒"......我成日都講人地個喎, 咁咪好唔arm? 我諗住呢度大家唔識對方, 當係舉例說明.....咁....即係應唔應該再"講人地"??

睡覺寫道:
理想﹕
唔得講人地架...人地會怕羞....佢在bk會看到架嘛........
佢係點？咪係2仔囉............差唔多年紀....咁咪講多兩句囉..
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: [quote]
理想寫道:
成日聽你提piano老師, 究竟佢係點ga? 你之前已經識佢? 點解好似咁close咁? 我個女個piano老師, 大家傾既純粹有關piano, 音樂既野咋......

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