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發表於 08-11-14 13:12 |只看該作者

Few days ago, I rethink whether I have forgiven my husband for hitting me few years ago. I have told God and myself thta I have forgiven him many times. But God told me that I haven't since I will bring it out again and again when I'm angry with my husband, feel depressed......So, I promised God that I won't talk about this issue again. I hope it's the last time that I mentioned this issue to other people. Now, I don't hate him. Indeed, with the help of God, I love him more and more ......

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idont

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發表於 08-11-16 01:07 |只看該作者

原文章由 idy739199 於 08-11-14 11:37 發表 <a href="http://forum.baby-kingdom.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=28733573&ptid=1761749" target="_blank"><img src="http://forum.baby-kingdom.com/images/common/back.gif" border="0" onload="if(this.width>screen.width*0.7) {this.resized=true; this.width=screen.width*0.7; this.alt='Click here to open new window\nCTRL+Mouse wheel to zoom in/out';}" onmouseover="if(this.width>screen.width*0.7) {this.resized=true; this.width=screen.width*0.7; this.style.cursor='hand'; this.alt='Click here to open new window\nCTRL+Mouse wheel to zoom in/out';}" onclick="if(!this.resized) {return true;} else {window.open(this.src);}" onmousewheel="return imgzoom(this);" alt="" /></a> 
我不滿,不是打我個仔的人, 
是張牧師和教會同我講,教會事,教會了,不可以報案, 
這裡是教會or黑社會, 
他公開道歉,我就要去銷案, 
我仲以為自己入了邪教!! ...

一句到尾,恨仇是你的名字。
要告就去告張牧師,張牧師公開道歉,你就要去銷案?你應該是搭錯線。
人家成了罪犯、他的兒子成了監犯仔,就因你的惡毒心。
回頭啦、你這個大罪人。
加多句,教會事,教會解決,是合乎聖經真理,不過可能同你嗰本唔同。

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idy739199

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發表於 08-11-16 16:22 |只看該作者

原文章由 idont 於 08-11-16 01:07 發表

一句到尾,恨仇是你的名字。
要告就去告張牧師,張牧師公開道歉,你就要去銷案?你應該是搭錯線。
人家成了罪犯、他的兒子成了監犯仔,就因你的惡毒心。
回頭啦、你這個大罪人。
加多句,教會事,教會解決,是合乎聖經真理, ...

你係咪唔明中文!!!
我個仔俾姓鄭打,我報案,因為我報案,要我公開道歉
張牧師和教會要姓鄭公開道歉,我就要去銷案,
張牧師說教會事,教會解決,不能報案,
我才說這是教會or黑社會
你應該是搭錯線。
教會就是有你這樣的人,是非不分,不知所謂的人

[ 本文章最後由 idy739199 於 08-11-17 00:14 編輯 ]

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idy739199

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發表於 08-11-17 00:19 |只看該作者

[quote]原文章由 idont 於 08-11-16 01:07 發表

唔知扮有智慧,回家想下自己說什麼先,基督徒

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idont

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發表於 08-11-17 01:15 |只看該作者

Sorry! My Chinese is worst. But lucky the church may solve TWO problem at the same time. That is Great!
You better not go to church before you found your sin.

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peterhopingtak

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發表於 08-11-17 15:32 |只看該作者

嘩！間教會有問題；個40yrs鄭XX有問題；連張牧師有問題！

兒童是世界上最快樂的人兒。

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發表於 08-11-18 10:08 |只看該作者

Counselling skills

I think the post owner
idy739199 is a mother that loves her child.
I think she is also a
reasonable person.
idy739199 was even willing
(but unable) to delete the
names of certain young
children on the internet
to protect their privacy.

If everyone is trying to
be helpful to idy739199,
remember that rapport is important.

If idy739199 don't trust
us, she would not be
willing to share with us
her problem. She would
not take in advice.

I do not pretend that I
would understand the
problem, as it's only idy739199 who has been
able to present her side of
the story.

But, I do wonder how good
it is to attack idy739199.
After all, she was a said
single mother, with a child
being assaulted by an adult.
Child abuse is not to be
tolerated.

We can always say, let the
other cheek be slapped as
well. This is what Jesus
taught, right?
Do not judge, lest you be
judged.
I would never want to argue
against these, as these are
God's word.

But, do you seriously think
that we are able to do it?
Do you think a mother who
has her son allegedly slapped
with a swollen face would be
able to ask the man to slap
the other cheek?

In counselling, I believe that
if the mother is still having
unresolved conflict, and anger,
it is quite pointless to say,
forgive the man, not judge
the man. If you are just
saying things, so you feel
better..... please forget it.

And what do you say, if
the man actually killed a
child, or another child?
Do you just let it happen?

I cannot argue, and do not
want to argue with bible.

Do you really agree that
you not judge the man, and
wait till God takes His action,
and in the meantime let your
own children be killed?

Maybe not even death.
Are you willing to let your
child have permanent hearing
loss from slapping of the ear,
and ear drum breaking?
Do you think you can act
according to the
bible: do not judge (the man, the perpetrator), do not
hate, let God take the action?

The bible teaches, we may
not be able to do.
How many of you sell all
your belongings, and leave
your family to follow Jesus?

I am not saying you do not
teach and support one another. Beware of the context.

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Frangipani

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發表於 08-11-19 18:47 |只看該作者

Someone has to move on with life but not living in the past and with anger. She has already put the case to court, vented her anger on all channel -- I believe at her own church, at least posted twice here at different forum, may be her own family and friends...... She is not giving up the incident and love to be treated as a "victim". Everyone here is trying to tell her to get out of her own trap and move on with life. As a Christian, the only best way is to forgive and forget because God has already done the example for us to copy. We all want her to move back to a happy and postive life..... Same application to all sort of tragedy....

得力在乎平靜安穩﹗

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納奧美

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發表於 08-11-20 00:46 |只看該作者

那男人是不是有精神病或情緒病的? (據所言應該是, 但是不是全教會內的人普遍都知道的?)

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wjd

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發表於 08-11-20 21:58 |只看該作者

教會事,教會解決,是合乎聖經真理,

？

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唐師奶

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發表於 08-11-21 13:45 |只看該作者

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愛心媽咪

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發表於 08-11-22 02:09 |只看該作者

主內姊妹 ,

事情巳過, 放下不安, 怒氣, 一切交托予天上父,
日日如此抱怨, 反過來對任何一方亦沒有得益,
有待"天父"處理. 回復心情,找另一所教會返, 不是間間教會如此,
早日再回到主懷裡, 願你把一切用禱告交方式交托予天上父.

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發表於 08-11-22 18:13 |只看該作者

原文章由 idy739199 於 08-10-9 11:03 發表
教會是神的or是人的, 我個仔俾人打, 為教會和牧師聲譽而要我公開道歉,這是什麼道理?

教會是神的or是人的,我8yrs個仔3月在教會給一個40yrs鄭XX打而報案,元朗XX堂張牧師2日後要我回教會解釋為何報案,我說我個仔一邊臉 ...

本人是剛看見你的發表!!你去報警這做法十分正確!!但你是教徒便該知道這教會是什麼回事!!
有強權冇公理這些在基督教是必然的事!!
坦白講,陳主教也非善類!!另外,當這事件發生在其他人身上你又會如何?還有,基督教真的是為主做事的嗎!!我只看見大部份基督徒只會顧及自己利益!!
在此,我十分同情天主,耶穌及聖母這樣被人利用!!

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LHLMother

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發表於 08-11-22 22:08 |只看該作者

各位朋友/ 主內弟兄姊妹 & 樓主 :

為了見證的原故, 請勿將此事再在此討論了, 試想想這題目已有很多很多的網友瀏覽了, 亦希望樓主能真心將以往的事交託給主, 學習放手給主, 對自己和別人都有益處.

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發表於 08-11-23 09:15 |只看該作者

True faith in God

I think we need to have true faith
in God.

Read through the bible, and there
are numerous accounts of the church
or, "leaders" doing wrong things.

God did not forbid the recording of
King David having a man killed,
and then King David possessing the
man's wife.
There are numerous accounts, and then, it turns out that there are very
few righteous people.

I do not know of the reason that
a lot of you are forbidding the
freedom of press, freedom of
information.

There has been little effort to
stop crime. But a lot of you are
trying to stop the reporting of
crime. This is not correct. And
the bible did not only tell of
great and righteous deeds.

Or, do you intend to give the
illusion that in Christian Church,
there is nothing but greatness?

My personal experience is that
church leaders fight for power, and
there are division of churches, in
biblical times, and in modern times.

It is bad to falsely accuse people.
But the proper reporting is ok.

The public became a monitor of
how the government, church,
individuals are acting.

We all sin, after all.
To date, I have not assaulted a
child. But I have certainly sinned
in many many ways, that are
not pleasing to God's eyes.

Doing right and having an admirable
fame is one thing.

Doing wrong and asking others to
still proclaim that we are good is
another.

Please find me the scripture that
says, "Do not report on wrong doings
of the church."

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發表於 08-11-23 09:31 |只看該作者

"Please do what even I cannot do"

Maybe it's that I am older, and you
people are too young. Or, maybe,
I have been in some counselling.

And it could be attributed to my lack
of ability, and counselling skills as
well.

Forgive me if I again here doubt
the usefulness of stating "commandments".
Are the ten commandments for us
to keep?
Last time I hear, it's really to reflect
that we are of flesh and would sin.

And the "ideals" that
We should not judge others, lest we be
judged.
We should be good to even our enemies.

I do have a strong feelings against this.
And you are saying this to a single
mother with her young son assaulted,
with a swollen face requiring a medical
consultation, and severe enough to
warrant police investigation, and bad
enough to go to court and the perpetrator found guilty.

All of you, if you have had your child slaughtered, make sure you have no
fear or sadness, as Jesus is your saviour. On your second breath, you
go on and ask God to praise the man
who killed your child.
And you do this every other day.

If you were this good, go on and tell
the post-owner that the post-owner should
(1) not judge others
(2) not be unhappy
(3) continue to worship God.

The thing is that all of (1), (2) (3)
are correct.
But in my humble opinion, it's unlikely
that the post-owner would read this,
and think, "Hey, that's such a wonderful
idea! I would do that now."
I think that the post-owner would feel
that salt is put to her wound. And she
would resist and continue to protest
by bringing out examples of, "Look,
your Christian Church is not that clean
either."

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發表於 08-11-23 09:57 |只看該作者

Disclaimer

I want to say that I enjoy my life
as a Christian. It is very different. I see much more as a Christian. I am very happy that the gospel is spread to me.

I do appreciate all your efforts. I
believe that you are trying to "protect"
the Christian Church.

But, I believe an alterative approach is
better: e.g. we can comfort the open
poster, rather than telling the victim
that she is wrong.
That's the last thing I want to say to
her.

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