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剪鋼筋事件無事喇，話無安全問題，

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puzzledmama 發表於 19-3-26 21:41
你又混淆視聽。當日，林鄭叫官員不要飲鉛水的情況，是那些泛民垃圾議員故意將一些自己「泡制」的污水給官 ...

咁而家話飲鉛水無問題，你係咪飲呀？

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CS_HON 發表於 19-3-27 10:22
咁而家話飲鉛水無問題，你係咪飲呀？

如果你無啦啦遞一樽鉛水比我飲，我都唔會飲吧⋯⋯

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馬爾太發表於 19-3-27 09:55
你叫你個"家人"講點解冇足夠承托係冇安全問題？

如果三言兩語就可以解釋到普羅大眾都明白的結構原理，就唔會咁多揣測啦。所以咪要專業資格同專業判斷囉，但只要是政府提供的專業判斷，無論點講點證明，D盲反都是選擇唔信㗎！嘥氣啦⋯⋯

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HoneyBee30 發表於 19-3-27 10:11
Hello, i said

Don't just believe in everything your Government has said. Use your own judgment. ...

What can facilitate one to exercise critical thinking? Based on facts, data, experience...... then what kind of evidence can u rely on to judge whether this case is safe or unsafe? !
To be frank, at this moment, I can’t judge. I don’t hv professional knowledge for this structural matter. So I will not easily jump into conclusion that it is safe or unsafe. I hv to trust the government. Just wonder how u can exercise your critical judgment over this professional matter.

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puzzledmama 發表於 19-3-27 10:46
如果三言兩語就可以解釋到普羅大眾都明白的結構原理，就唔會咁多揣測啦。所以咪要專業資格同專業判斷囉， ...

國家多幾個你呢類人真係易管好多，「不要問，只要信。」，對管治，絕對是好事。

所以，秦始皇焚書坑儒真係啱既，國家太多有智識、有學識，有自己思想既讀書人，唔係好事，批評政府越多越難管。

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tester5 發表於 19-3-27 11:01
國家多幾個你呢類人真係易管好多，「不要問，只要信。」，對管治，絕對是好事。
所以，秦始皇焚書坑 ...

算啦,簡單D講,呢D人係民智未開
睇多D書,同世界各地既新聞,唔好睇咁多大公文匯啦

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tester5 發表於 19-3-27 11:01
國家多幾個你呢類人真係易管好多，「不要問，只要信。」，對管治，絕對是好事。
所以，秦始皇焚書坑 ...

有時候，有些涉及專業判斷的事情，係要依賴專業知識的，唔係我地搵幾個C9 柴娃娃話唔可信，就是不可信。
有D事情，如果用common sense 可以判斷，當然大家C9 都可以exercise judgment. 例如釘子健事件，大家用常理判斷都覺得荒謬不合理，就好大機會係不可信，正常人都會質疑吧。
結構性安全， please leave it to professional 吧，已經超越大家的理解範圍吧⋯⋯

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puzzledmama 發表於 19-3-27 11:11
有時候，有些涉及專業判斷的事情，係要依賴專業知識的，唔係我地搵幾個C9 柴娃娃話唔可信，就是不可信。
...

其實今日報紙已經講左,專業人士都話有問題,只係政府請番黎既獨立顧問,即係禮頓話冇問題

大家有眼睇都冇用,政府唔會再考慮普通人點諗,佢地又唔會坐,到有事發生時話唔定都訓埋棺材,
受罪既都係我地或者下一代

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puzzledmama 發表於 19-3-27 10:46
如果三言兩語就可以解釋到普羅大眾都明白的結構原理，就唔會咁多揣測啦。所以咪要專業資格同專業判斷囉， ...

No one wants to not trust the Government (it is sad if you think about it). But if you're screwed many times over by it, you'd be skeptic too.

(the report) It said that based on all the evidence, including that of five independent structural engineering experts, the panel were confident the work was safe and no rebuilding was necessary.

But there were also assessments/comments made from veteran structural engineer and expert (Ngai Hok Yan, and Francis Au Tat-kwong from HKU) that the site was not entirely structurally stable. Their comments weren't mentioned much in the report.

These are all experts in the field. Why can't both sides of the story be heard? Isn't it what the commission was created to do, to get to the bottom of the truth?

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/transport/article/3003314/builders-hk971-billion-sha-tin-central-line-did-cut

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puzzledmama 發表於 19-3-27 11:11
有時候，有些涉及專業判斷的事情，係要依賴專業知識的，唔係我地搵幾個C9 柴娃娃話唔可信，就是不可信。
...

宜家就係連政府委任專家既意見，指出安全性仍成疑，但委員會仍然冇採納，照出呢個「無須加固」既中期報告囉。
連專業工程師都挑戰委員會裁決不當或政府接納既判斷出錯。
記住，指出問題題唔係C9，係專業人士。
你自己睇睇先啦

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HoneyBee30 發表於 19-3-27 11:16
No one wants to not trust the Government (it is sad if you think about it). But if you're screwed m ...

I m not saying it will be safe or unsafe. Let s leave it to the professional advice. Just never jump into conclusion at this moment. Wait n see.

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puzzledmama 發表於 19-3-27 10:55
What can facilitate one to exercise critical thinking? Based on facts, data, experience...... then ...

i'm afraid we all need to read from more sources, compare notes. Just because something comes from the Government it doesn't make it true. I don't think you believe it for a second if it is information coming from the US Government, right?

I replied you in another post.

It doesn't hurt to be critical when it comes to matters of public concern. We should all be vigilant. Government has all the power, resources, and information, and as citizens we should all hold it accountable for what it does.

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spellcheck 發表於 19-3-27 10:19
居民在特首辦外靜坐，特首辦有人致電要求居民離去，但他們矢志要特首接信才肯離開。最後，董建華委派副官 ...

對呀。要事情真相，生命無take 2。

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puzzledmama 發表於 19-3-27 11:23
I m not saying it will be safe or unsafe. Let s leave it to the professional advice. Just never ju ...

I'm sorry, but you did say this "政府驗過話安全，我點解要唔信" in one of your comments.

So while we are waiting and seeing, I'm guessing you are probably not opposed to the idea of prosecuting the guilty parties (MTR, Leighton, even the Transportation Dept of HKSAR) and bringing them to justice, right?

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