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回覆:請問基督徒的朋友, 你地點睇朱小姐有bb

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發表於 12-5-1 17:30 |只看該作者
人總是對別人的要求較高。對與錯不是我們自己去決定。


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發表於 12-5-2 16:32 |只看該作者
我個人認為基督徙都係人, 只係我哋相信神, 但唔代表之後就變咗聖人, 我哋都有可能被撤旦或世界價值觀迷惑, 同時我哋憑什麼去論斷別人. 只因佢哋係藝人先要交代, 好過之後又再加多條講大話罪. 問心如果普通人你會唔會理佢係咪基督徙未婚有BB呀.


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發表於 12-5-3 10:24 |只看該作者
究竟基督徒可否指出別人的罪呢?
基督徒的道德標準應否隨從世俗?

有教外人指責基督徒講大話!所以不信教了。
基督徒指出基督徒講大話,又被指論斷人,所以不信教了。
基督徒寬恕基督徒,又被指包庇呀!吾認錯呀,所以不信教了。

其實,你們不信便不信吧,自己吾信又要賴人,天父是你自己的,你自己會因為兄弟姊妹的不和而去反叛自己父母嗎?!
怪!

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本帖最後由 LuiWaNam 於 12-5-3 14:05 編輯
858D 發表於 12-4-29 15:17
marriage ceremony
I mean no disrespect for pastors and teachers of God's word because I have been on ...

Hi KNT,

Thank you for your reply concerning the marriage of Jews. I like your interpretation of Bible according to context, which is very important in my standpoint. Too many comments on Bible made by Christians (and also non-Christians) are out of context, and consequently many interesting, and even strange, views come out. I appreciate the term “canned sermons” because it is an accurate term to depict some replies, which is reflecting the concepts, of some Christians (I do not mean any individual as many Christians do like this). I do not hold a negative view on the canned sermons (or canned food/knowledge), although they are not very nutritious (I agree with you), as I understand that they can still contribute to Christians who are at different stages of their Christian life. But what makes me feels negative is that many Christians regard these canned foods as “high level”, “ultimate” teaching/truth, and base on which to reject other views, regarding others as non-orthodox, if not heresy. I am afraid those who advocating the canned knowledge too much will affect themselves and others to pursue the truth and the real message of God. They not only abandon the Way, but also block others.


雷家老二


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166#
發表於 12-5-7 12:26 |只看該作者
回覆 LuiWaNam 的帖子

Thank you for the encouragement, LuiWaNam. I needed it because I was wondering if I could do any good to help anyone understand the bible better. Lately I've been feeling a little down about my ability to contribute. I have been teaching the bible for thirty years plus but lately cannot be active for physical and other reasons. I keep trying to stay up in my bible study however. I have been studying for several years about the ancient cultures and it really opened my eyes to understand the meaning of the bible messages. I had realized long ago that the context is crucial and that we must consider the entire bible as one unit as well. Then, rely upon the bible to explain itself. When I started doing that and staying away from commentaries and these canned sermons I learned a lot more. A few years back I began to realize I had been missing key details in the text. By trying to understand these details in the context of their culture at the time it also began to make more sense of the message. In short, it all added up to a better understanding. I agree with your concerns about what is being taught. Unfortunately, some of these "canned sermons" are not even spiritual food but rather more like poison. It is amazing what is being taught by people who supposedly attended seminaries for the purpose of spreading the gospel and edifying the saints. They don't understand the ancient culture, those little details or even get the big picture sometimes. That is why Christians need to rely upon God's word, the bible, even more because the shepherds are misleading the flocks in many cases. Just take a look at Isaiah and Amos and you will see that it is not a new thing. God said it would happen long ago too. So, thanks again for the words and keep me in your prayers and most importantly this work we must engage in to rely solely on the Holy Spirit for our understanding. I'll try not to give up.


KNT
Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own  ~ H. Jackson Brown


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發表於 12-5-7 23:24 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 Bigpig_2007 於 12-5-7 23:32 編輯

I believe in God but really query if any church messages or even Bible can enough conclude what God means, what God's relationships with Man are....

Language, is descriptive, developed with time, culture and different peoples. It is one with boundary, with limitation. If you didn't see, didn't think, didn't feel or live in the cultural environment that a historical story mentions, are you confident enough that you know, understand and feel precisely as those in the ancient world?

Especially for questions like the beginning and the end of the world, it is full of debates even in religious study.

Then, how a church run? If there is no central thinking, discipline in church, there is no way to attract people, concentrate the force it needs. Whilst we both accept God is Love and Love is good. How about "marriage must with Christian", "no sex and no baby before marriage"? I would say regulations are good to some extent that they help you establish a positive life thinking. Yet, I assure that many moral teachings are different from one church to another church. Otherwise there will not have so many branches even in the Christian world.

More importantly, time and space change or at least fine-tone our social value, systems and therefore words shared, relationship maintained. It is not so simple to say "pregnance before marriage" is wrong. If God's meaning is to give a new baby so the couple could really take action to get marry and have a better future, who knows?

Negative thinkings/actions = devil? If we think in this way, we have to first set a boundary what means bad, what means negative? There are many areas with blur, right?

You can say Heaven is good 'cos earth is evil. Yet, your whole life is living down to the earth. You want to be saved after died, then why don't you want to be saved in your life-time?

What's important is how we feel about God's relationship to us, meaning to us and help us lead a better life. He has no guarantee you must have a rich or happy life, He instead comfort you and let you trust yourself = your divine soul associated with God therein your body, others, the earth and the universe.

Perhaps the world is full of fallasy. For most of us being brought up with thinking that follows the majority's. And what majority thinking is very often gradually developed by seniors or people with authority. They set or interpret what they believe. It is a reflection of power and conquer with it merely.

Don't worry, be happy to yourself and your family!


大宅

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發表於 12-5-9 12:50 |只看該作者
在基督徒角度看未婚生子當然是不對,也是一個不好的見證,說心底話我也不認同這行為,但若事情已發生了,我們也應已祝福的心接納以她們,讓BB在祝福聲出生成長,沒必要逼她們到死角嗎?對任何人也沒好處?總覺得事情只有神和他們是最清楚的,她們自己向神真心悔改交代改過,我們誰人沒曾有過錯嗎?願意以祝福代替論斷吧!


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發表於 12-5-9 16:33 |只看該作者

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我們跟從主的,就要學習用主耶穌的眼光去看待別人的軟弱,還記行淫被捉到耶穌面前的婦人嗎?
老實講我也怕基督徒失見證(自己亦然),會唔開心,因怕絆倒未信的!!縱然係咁,我們又有何資格去批評人呢?願主祝福佢,教導佢,並幫助我們有更多的憐憫和愛去看待別人的過犯




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大宅

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發表於 12-5-11 01:34 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 gpb 於 12-5-11 03:18 編輯
我想生三個 發表於 12-5-10 15:34
認過罪就寬恕鳥,甘認真把鬼........

如果你個仔女做錯事,你會唔會寬恕佢?又會唔會要佢認錯同改過呢?既然你都一早都準備好寬恕佢喇,咁認真教佢、勸佢認錯同改過又係咪多鬼餘呢?




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858D  0甘又唔多餘。有道理,有正理,畀你問醒左我,使我更尊敬我既天父。  發表於 12-5-11 12:04


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發表於 12-5-11 11:49 |只看該作者
Bigpig_2007 發表於 12-5-7 23:24
I believe in God but really query if any church messages or even Bible can enough conclude what God ...
858D: 你好! 謝謝寫英文,KNT 可以讀得明。我又不用翻譯。以下是 KNT 的回應。

[I did not hope to imply that we cannot trust bible teachers or pastors. I'm one of them after all. I just come from a perspective of one who has learned that much of the teaching and preaching in the churches is wrong. I have been wrong in the past too. Don't rely upon me or any man for your salvation. It makes more sense to buy life insurance from a man wanting immediate payment in cash.

But it is not difficult for a student to understand what is the truth. Just rely on God's word, the bible. That has always been my emphasis. It is a lamp to light up our path. All I try to do is point at it. That is why I try to separate what I say with what the bible says by using brackets.

Also, you mentioned not understanding ancient culture. I don't agree with that totally. Yes, many teachers just repeat without knowing what they're talking about. I agree with that. While we don't know a lot of things for sure in ancient history because no one is alive who lived in it, cultural ideas can still be grasped if we rely on one source, the bible. What it says about those cultures is the truth. On top of that we do not have to figure out how it combines with the message because the bible combines editorials with the narrative to help us further grasp their ancient ideas. As Christians our main motivation should be to help us understand the message. That is where the bible is unique. It gets the message across even thousands of years later. Makes sense. After all it is God's word, able to accomplish His purposes. But I have tried to put myself in their sandals and to do that I have studied a lot about the ancient cultures. Now the bible content makes more sense to me.]

Romans 8:28 - And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.

[His purposes and His promises do not change - God does not lie.]

Hebrews 6:16-18 - For men swear by one greater than themselves, and with them an oath given as confirmation is an end of every dispute. In the same way God, desiring even more to show to the heirs of the promise the unchangeableness of His purpose, interposed with an oath, so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have taken refuge would have strong encouragement to take hold of the hope set before us.

[In order to accomplish understanding God's word I suggest a method which works well for me. It requires more patience, time and effort than other methods but it makes the bible teaching clear. Here it is.

Examine the word (look at the original to be most certain) according to the context. There is the entire bible context, the book context, the chapter, and the verses surrounding the word. Rely upon the Holy Spirit, who is with you if you are a true believer, to guide you directly. I think this method works because it requires faith, not knowledge. Our understanding of Him is not open to private interpretation by them or by the prophets, but God revealed Himself through directing their words and lights up our knowledge of Him by those same words.]

2 Peter 1:19-21 - So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts. But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

1 Corinthians 2:1-16 -
And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling, and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.

[Don't rest your faith on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God. Trust in the bible to define and intrepret the meaning. The people who create translations, dictionaries, and concordances all look at the context, same as this method. They compare it within the context. They also do it with the bias of their individual beliefs. They are human after all. Why not let the man leave the insurance policy with you to look over yourself? Then call in a true expert - the Holy Spirit! ]

KNT









Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own  ~ H. Jackson Brown


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發表於 12-5-11 11:54 |只看該作者
When I read KNT's this statement: "It makes more sense to buy life insurance from a man wanting immediate payment in cash. ", I laugh hard
I think because the man who buy life insurance may die next minute and the insurance man cannot collect any money from him.
Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own  ~ H. Jackson Brown


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發表於 12-5-11 11:58 |只看該作者

引用:究竟基督徒可否指出別人的罪呢?基督徒的道

原帖由 anntx3 於 12-05-03 發表
究竟基督徒可否指出別人的罪呢?
基督徒的道德標準應否隨從世俗?
很同意妳所講天父是大家的,祂根本清楚我們怎樣靠自己都不能不犯罪(自私、嫉妒、苦毒等),其實基督徒對「不義的事和犯罪」都會有憤怒和失望,但如果我們也只控訴或罵犯事說句抵死,對自己和犯錯的人又有可益處呢?仰或是覺得自己比人卓越,就有權去作出一些無建設性的批判呢?究竟該事情又關唔關自己的事呢?如果甚麼都不是,那我們有甚麼可誇,惟有仰望祂的恩典,學效主耶穌的心腸,去戰勝地上的挑戰!!求聖靈幫助我們~




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發表於 12-5-11 12:50 |只看該作者
我想生三個 發表於 12-5-11 09:17
仔女做錯事,都要睇下咩事,你唔知呢個世界咩人都有架咩?老豆斬仔,仔殺父母,咩事都會發生。
有條友無拉 ...
[- my remarks are in brackets. Wow! What god are you referring to? Doesn't sound at all like the God in the bible. Maybe you heard it in a church once, or from someone who says they know God, but did you actually read this in the bible? No, I know you didn't, because I know the bible. Perhaps you should try reading it with a little more effort next time. Thanks for insulting my Father. You don't know Him and yet you can blame Him for every evil. But I should let God speak for Himself.]


Isaiah 46:3-5
Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb:


And even to your old age I am he; and even to gray hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you.


To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be alike?


Isaiah 49:14-15
But Zion said, The Lord hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me.


Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.


Psalms 2 -
Why are the nations in an uproar
And the peoples devising a vain thing?
The kings of the earth take their stand
And the rulers take counsel together
Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
“Let us tear their fetters apart
And cast away their cords from us!”
He who sits in the heavens laughs,
The Lord scoffs at them.
Then He will speak to them in His anger
And terrify them in His fury, saying,
“But as for Me, I have installed My King
Upon Zion, My holy mountain.”
“I will surely tell of the decree of the Lord:
He said to Me, ‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
‘Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance,
And the very ends of the earth as Your possession.
‘You shall break them with a rod of iron,
You shall shatter them like earthenware.’”
Now therefore, O kings, show discernment;
Take warning, O judges of the earth.
Worship the Lord with reverence
And rejoice with trembling.
Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way,
For His wrath may soon be kindled.
How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!


[Thanks gpb for your precise and timely response. My friend translated it to me.]


KNT
Love is when the other person’s happiness is more important than your own  ~ H. Jackson Brown


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發表於 12-5-11 14:05 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 gpb 於 12-5-11 14:16 編輯
我想生三個 發表於 12-5-11 09:17
仔女做錯事,都要睇下咩事,你唔知呢個世界咩人都有架咩?老豆斬仔,仔殺父母,咩事都會發生。
有條友無拉 ...

我知,聖經一早話左人離開左神之後,呢個世界就係墮落邪惡,咩事都會發生架喇,乜你唔知嘅咩?

不過你又唔駛咁悲嘅,你個神係點我唔知,我個神就日日出緊糧俾我,俾我嘅野係我未信之前完全想像唔到嘅,而且佢從未強求過仔女俾家用佢,因為佢乜都有,仔女唔係心甘情願俾佢嘅,佢唔希罕

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LuiWaNam  欣賞你  發表於 12-5-14 14:49
LuiWaNam  亦莊亦諧:-P  發表於 12-5-14 14:48
858D  我翻譯給KNT聽,他叫我就此留言對你說:Right On!    發表於 12-5-12 01:09


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發表於 12-5-12 01:15 |只看該作者
回覆 gpb 的帖子

有人因教會中, 看來很"屬靈"的人在教會歛財, 而離開上帝, 憎恨耶穌; 有人因名人未婚生子, 覺得基督徒虛偽, 選擇不信; 有人因受弟兄姊妹的傷害, 而離開教會, 並阻止其他人尋神...

但當中, 究竟耶穌做了甚麼? 因為衪沒有給"惡人"現眼報"? 因為衪沒阻止傷害的發生?

究竟耶穌做了甚麼, 我們要把對"惡人"的不滿, 發洩在耶穌的頭上?
那"惡人"做的, 值得我們賠上得救的恩嗎?
如果天空總是黑暗的,那就摸黑生存;如果發出聲音是危險的,那就保持沉默;如果自覺無力發光的,那就蜷伏於牆角。但不要習慣了黑暗就為黑暗辯護;不要為自己的苟且而得意;不要嘲諷那些比自己更勇敢熱情的人們。我們可以卑微如塵土,不可扭曲如蛆蟲 - 曼德拉


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179#
發表於 12-5-13 04:44 |只看該作者

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原帖由 858D 於 12-04-18 發表
本帖最後由 858D 於 12-4-18 16:03 編輯

難道“反對婚前性行為”的在此罪上自己犯了,知錯了,也在神面 ...
咁埋驗正咗基督徒輸打贏要茄教義囉!將個道德標準set得高一高,以為自己好聖潔!等犯咗界時就高呼包容、原諒、愛!偽善!




大宅

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180#
發表於 12-5-13 06:42 |只看該作者
本帖最後由 anntx3 於 12-5-13 06:46 編輯

回覆 IvyCP 的帖子

也驗正我們的正義!基督徒原諒人就插佢偽善!吾原諒人就插佢無愛心!Yeah!

誰能逃出我們這屎忽口,ha ha

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858D  好一個代入反基督之人的思維方式。這理我既想不通。也沒有心思去理解。  發表於 12-5-17 03:52

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