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本帖最後由 gemiling 於 11-4-8 15:42 編輯

I see a lot of unhappy post here... just want to say something based on what I know about 印印 cos I have lived in Singapore for a long time and have quite a number of 印尼 friends. Of cos I am not saying all of them are doing what they are doing becos of this. But some of them mayb really don't know the Hong Kong situation. Especially when the so called training sch in 印尼不負責任

1. 用手去廁所
it is a custom for Muslim (左手解决, 右手吃飯), even Malays in singapore (i lived there for a long time) do the same thing. In singapore or South east asia, since they have an extra 水喉 for that use, maybe it is cleaner. But in Hong Kong, the toilets are not design to have the extra 水喉, I suggest if you cannot accept that, you should not hire 印印, cos it is quite hard for them to change the habit.

2. 黑面做錯野 when 你講佢唔望你

In 印尼習俗 when you scold them, it is 唔禮貌 to look at you ... 有點似講小朋友時，佢會看地板. So you have to let them know that is different in Hong Kong.
BUT of cos if she is doing it on purpose to annoy you. it is different.

3. Listening more to Sir than Ma'am
In 印尼, Man is the BOSS of the house, not even 99, so they always listen to the Sir more than Ma'am.
You have to let them know that in Hong kong, especially in you house, you are the boss.

4. Taking care of baby.
印尼 is very hot country, they don't really know (espeically if they are new to hong kong) how to judge the temperature. You have to make sure they know that baby clothes should not be taken off ALL together when changing diaper and stuff.

5. 洗衣機
A lot of them come from the poor places of 印尼 and they don't have 洗衣機.... they don't know how much power it use or how wasteful it is when it is not a full machine

6. "Muslim steal things need to chop off their hand, and hunting man need to be hanged, or beaten. "
NO, 印尼 now 文明過以前, steal - you go to jail, "hunting man" - you go to jail and 打籐

I post this just want to let some of you understand a little more about them, I am NOT supporting them blindly, I believe there are of cos some of them that are bad.

P.S. 蝦細路 and 飲尿絕對吾系印尼習俗!! those deserved to be punished

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其實印印都係人, 都有好人同壞人之分, 佢地都同樣有機會俾同鄉呃, 甘習慣既野如果顧主唔鍾意, 可以同佢地傾, 好多後生既印印都想跟上步伐.
所以搵姐姐真係要睇自己好唔好彩啦.

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gemiling 發表於 11-4-8 10:40
I see a lot of unhappy post here... just want to say something based on what I know about 印印 cos I ...

Thanks for your sharing, it is interesting and useful.

I also suggest more communication with the maid can help to avoid mis-understanding and can improve the relationship between maid and boss. Many minor problems can be easily solved by communication at the first instance when they are still not yet becoming big.

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你又唔駛太擔心, 好好 ke 印傭姐姐, 我都遇過同見過......!

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Just saw it. Yes it is extremes not smart case and dirty. But 1 thing I want to say.... 佢真係好大可能有手機但無見過多士爐 ... And those young ones ... Alot of them 報大數 so maybe just 十幾 they don't really want to work as hard.. Just want to play, just like the 九十後 in hong kong

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gemiling 發表於 11-4-8 18:46
Lily-of-valley:

不打不相識, 多謝你 this time 無插. I really understand that you must have v ...

If you saw my thread, this dirty丫烏should hold some of worst maid's record, not the first, but should be top 10.

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Lily-of-valley:

不打不相識, 多謝你 this time 無插.

I really understand that you must have very bad experience before, I am sorry if my 語氣 maybe a little harsh before.

可以甘解釋

muslim and catholic (i m catholic) are quite similar in some ways, they teach abt evil spirit (邪靈, 魔鬼) and believe in angels. So if u see video on YouTube, u can find video abt Muslim priest 驅魔.

But as you know, Muslim is not the original religion in 印尼, and 東南亞人本身特別信鬼怪 and 巫師. So yes, a lot of them believe in ghost. So,好多都好怕鬼. And they have lots of ghosts story.

Just like alot of Chinese 基督徒 also believe in ghost.

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Lily-of-valley:

不打不相識, 多謝你 this time 無插.

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gemiling 發表於 11-4-8 11:39
hai ... if everyone know to 開聲問, then won't have some many problem la!
A lot of them scared th ...

point 6, 你特登話比我聽, 唔該. 因Saudi Arabia, Oman, Yeman's Muslim country need to chop the hands, and hanged.
But now you said Indonesia need not.

Ask you a question, according to Muslim, there was no ghost, but some Indo maid said they see ghost in HK, what's your advice? I'm serious, not kiding.

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gemiling They still have 死刑, but not for these reasons... But they don't have those punishment like chopping off hands anymore. 發表於 11-4-8 18:53

gemiling 印尼馬來西亞文萊 those Muslim countries do no practice those same law
Mostly jail and 打藤發表於 11-4-8 18:51

gemiling Yes 中東 Muslim 國家 still have those laws. 發表於 11-4-8 18:48

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本帖最後由 gemiling 於 11-4-8 15:52 編輯

there are of cos more,

for example, they normally eat with hands, and seated as a family mostly on the floor at home.

Kids normally don't wear as much clothes as it is a hot country.

Kids after 1 or 2 years old normally take cold shower (that explain why they don't know how to adjust temperature)

when you go to the wet market, and if you start picking food with your left hand, the store owner will be very angry and may chase you out

they consume more chilli than rice

in the fasting month for muslim, for the VERY strict muslim, they will not even swallow their 口水

some very strict muslim actually REALLY pray 5 times a day (that may explain why some are hiding in toilet, but of cos I AM NOT SURE IF THAT IS THE REASON)

oh and some of them think chinese has a very bad smell, cos we eat pork (just like how we think indian smell weird cos of lots of curry i guess)

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mouth

nce, i was lablled as agency

actually, I am a ......

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tell us more about their habbits )))

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本帖最後由 gemiling 於 11-4-8 15:44 編輯

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I think if they are work related habits, they are easy to change, like if i join a new company, and I was told that now I have to use the phone a new way, or the copier a new way, those are easy to change. But if I was told about my personal habits have to be changed... that will be hard.

i also think some habits are hard to kick, like the one about going to toilet... if your whole life were told to do it with your hands and you believe that cleaning with water and hands is actually more clean (actually according to doctor it is true). .. I think it will not be possible for you to change too if you were told to use paper...
Just like, if now I go to a company and i was told that from now on when I go to toilet, I have to clean with water and hand instead of paper.. I won't be able to do it.

Take another example, look into someone's eyes when he/she is scolding you...
If they have fear to looking straight to someone when they are scolded, it will be really hard to change, even when they were told that is impolite. Cos they have been educated their whole life that they should not do that. and now out of a sudden they were told, 'no, actually you should'

I must say habits, sometimes is a strange thing, sometimes we have a lot of emotion about some habits that it is hard to change...

I appreciate greatly that you want to discuss :) and not just labeling me as some agent or 工會.

OH I totally agree on your point about agency and school and do a better job, and as employee, the helper should also try their best to adapt to a new environment.

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gemiling 發表於 11-4-8 15:11
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I think some habits that have followed for whole life is really hard to chan ...

as for why they don't know our habits or custom, I think they will know some from the training school...but may not be full picture...

i think so...
i had read my maid's handbook when she first arrived. Some of our custom has been told but not all.
well, this is what i always emphase that the agent can do better in this point
upon my knowlege from my maids, most of the teachers in "training schools" are local people, they know HK probably from the view as a foreigners or visitors

nevertheless, as employee, we would try our best to suit into the company's culture and follow instruction from boss;
so back to the point that why the maids cannot

(p.s. no offense to your post, instead, very appreciate your sharing; just want to make some discussions on the bad agents and bad maids)

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I think some habits that have followed for whole life is really hard to change.
For example, we have used chopsticks for our whole life, and if i don't think i will want to change too.
as for why they don't know our habits or custom, I think they will know some from the training school...but may not be full picture...

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本帖最後由 mc_baby 於 11-4-8 14:57 編輯

gemiling 發表於 11-4-8 10:40
I see a lot of unhappy post here... just want to say something based on what I know about 印印 cos I ...

THX your sharing...
我三月尾請了印印, 預七月到HK...
let me understand more about them...

yes, 我都睇到好多post係好negative, 我都好擔心, 現在已經好有壓力...
如果有更多他們的資料, let me know more, 我都希望同印印能夠互相配合~

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本帖最後由 gemiling 於 11-4-8 15:43 編輯

當教了 10 次, 仍然犯同樣的錯...! 仍然不肯改進, 這個同文化差異有沒有關係呢?

我無話過所有野都是文化差異。當教了10次，仍然犯同樣的錯，偷野,講大話... and others... are of cos not 文化差異. right??

I am just saying they should also be treated as human, and so to post something I know and hope it helps to understand a little. That's all.

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gemiling,"樽鹽"=尊嚴。XD

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Appreciate your informtion. At last we know more.

Just wonder why they don't learn our custom or habbit before come to HK.

It is believed that no matter yan or bun, they carry their cultural difference to here. My Ms Beauty bun is using hand to pick up food when eating. She knows that we may hardly accept it so she prefer to have meal in the kitchen. Or when she eat-out with us, she will use spoon or chokstick.

The point is whether the maids have the heart to take up the job here and stay with HK family.

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